Total mismanagement: Play Clock=Game Clock

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When UT finally pulled away in the 4th quarter a little bit and needed to use every ounce of game clock, I noticed they did a good job of taking their time and executing (for once) but they snapped the ball with 13,14,15 even 30 seconds left on play clock at times.

The goal, obviously, was to use the clock up and take time and execute for first downs. It was evident that's what they were doing and that is what you do... But, using the game clock, first means using all of the play clock.

The play calling became conservative (that's what you do most times in that scenario) and the goal was to get first downs, run as much clock as possible......

The little things like this are fundamental coaching flaws with Butch Jones and why many, many of us feel he just simply doesn't have it up stairs.
 
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Of all the things one can criticize this team for last Saturday, do you really think a thread about this is needed? The team was up by two scores and Ohio was gassed at the end. Give it a rest.
 
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I agree with the op about running down the play clock. I noticed this, too. The game would have been over twice as fast if they would run down the clock before snapping the ball.

Now, unlike the op, I don't necessarily blame the coaches for this one. It is definitely an area they should improve on for situations where we are winning and trying to run it out.
 
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madbamahater said:
When UT finally pulled away in the 4th quarter a little bit and needed to use every ounce of game clock, I noticed they did a good job of taking their time and executing (for once) but they snapped the ball with 13,14,15 even 30 seconds left on play clock at times.

The goal, obviously, was to use the clock up and take time and execute for first downs. It was evident that's what they were doing and that is what you do... But, using the game clock, first means using all of the play clock.

The play calling became conservative (that's what you do most times in that scenario) and the goal was to get first downs, run as much clock as possible......

The little things like this are fundamental coaching flaws with Butch Jones and why many, many of us feel he just simply doesn't have it up stairs.
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Call your bubby JRM and get his thoughts
 
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esarmstrong said:
Of all the things one can criticize this team for last Saturday, do you really think a thread about this is needed? The team was up by two scores and Ohio was gassed at the end. Give it a rest.
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Certainly is and HAS BEEN the difference in winning and losing a game. Are you new to the game?
 
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madbamahater said:
When UT finally pulled away in the 4th quarter a little bit and needed to use every ounce of game clock, I noticed they did a good job of taking their time and executing (for once) but they snapped the ball with 13,14,15 even 30 seconds left on play clock at times.

The goal, obviously, was to use the clock up and take time and execute for first downs. It was evident that's what they were doing and that is what you do... But, using the game clock, first means using all of the play clock.

The play calling became conservative (that's what you do most times in that scenario) and the goal was to get first downs, run as much clock as possible......

The little things like this are fundamental coaching flaws with Butch Jones and why many, many of us feel he just simply doesn't have it up stairs.
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I think it is a little far fetched to make the assumption that Butch and Co. do not understand the concept of running out the clock when you have a lead late in a game.

I saw multiple games over the weekend where the team with the lead had the ball late in the game and continued running plays at about the same pace as they used throughout the game. The thinking being, it got you the lead to start with, so why change it now; and also that the defense is tiring so keep them on their heels without being able to sub.

I'm not sure that I always agree with this strategy, BUT IT IS A STRATEGY, not a fundamental coaching flaw.

Give the coaches some credit; they do this for a living.
 
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luthervol said:
I think it is a little far fetched to make the assumption that Butch and Co. do not understand the concept of running out the clock when you have a lead late in a game.

I saw multiple games over the weekend where the team with the lead had the ball late in the game and continued running plays at about the same pace as they used throughout the game. The thinking being, it got you the lead to start with, so why change it now; and also that the defense is tiring so keep them on their heels without being able to sub.

I'm not sure that I always agree with this strategy, BUT IT IS A STRATEGY, not a fundamental coaching flaw.

Give the coaches some credit; they do this for a living.
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I would rather see this staff coach at Cincinnati with "okay" success. I would rather see a better staff in Knoxville...........
 
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Don't understand it at all. Other hurry ups slow down to a crawl when needing to burn clock. Some do as Butch does and take snaps with 14 seconds, but I just think it's a terrible mistake. Especially when every second with five minutes or less left is critical to one or both teams. Just yet another of my many different philosophies from the coach. He loves consistency and rythim. I like adaption to circumstances (I formation at 2 yard line) and clock management. Maybe he's right, but for me it will never make much sense.
 
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madbamahater said:
I would rather see this staff coach at Cincinnati with "okay" success. I would rather see a better staff in Knoxville...........
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There's the truth of the matter. You just don't like them so you'll try everything to pick anything apart.
 
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UT's#1Fan said:
It's odd. Many things this team does is odd.
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And odd is not a good feeling. Hopefully we will keep winning, even if it is oddly. Would love to have more wins like VT, but an odd win beats the alternative, a bad lose.
It's just doing things oddly will eventually catch up with a team and get it beat by a solidly fundamental team. Usually sooner rather than later.

Here's to a great week of practice and a win, not matter how ugly........
 
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Now that I am thinking about it, it was the same thing at Bristol. We had a lead, and I think with about 8 minutes left, we were snapping the ball with 15 seconds left consistently. At that point we were up 17 points, and the game wasn't out of reach (see Ole Miss vs Alabama). Do that 3 times, and that's 45 seconds you "lost". 45 seconds = about 10% of the remaining clock at that point, which is a big percentage of time you could have wasted.
 
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It does not matter what CBJ does. If he runs the clock down, then he is too conservative. If they go quick, then he is too aggressive. He can't please VolNation.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
There's the truth of the matter. You just don't like them so you'll try everything to pick anything apart.
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I don't feel like this issue raised in this thread is nitpicking, though. Doing this exact same thing cost us the OU game last season. They could have shortened the game by a full 5 minutes by milking the clock, but instead chose to go full speed ahead on three and out after three and out, all while the exhausted defense was hanging on for dear life. OU literally needed almost every second to force overtime, so just a little sensible clock management would likely have gotten us across the finish line.
 
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I'm all for the hurry-up offense, and if you have a big lead, then it is okay for 3 quarters. However, if you are winning by more than one score in the 4th quarter, kill the dang clock. Last year against Oklahoma and Florida, even though we went super conservative, barely getting 1 or 2 yards a play, we were still snapping the ball with 15-20 seconds left on the play clock. Made no sense whatsoever. If we had run the clock all the way down on each play in the fourth, I honestly do not think Oklahoma would have had enough time to score again.
 
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Those saying its not a big deal need to watch the MO/UGA game. MO was ahead for most the game and stayed with the up tempo offense barely using clock. I am all or up tempo. Although if you are not subbing then you should be able to use most of the clock keeping the same D on the field. MO did a poor job on using clock in the 4th giving UGA way too much time. yeah the INT's didnt help either.
 
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Amazing. CBJ was bashed for trying to milk the clock last year. This year he is not doing it enough. Not sure what to make of this.
 
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madbamahater said:
You obviously don't know who I am. lol......
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I believe CBJ is still trying to instill the play 4 whole quarters mindset. That, and we were gaining lots of real estate per carry against a wiped out Ohio team. As long as we're able to jam the ball down their throats, continue to do so.
 
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