Total Misconception about recruits!

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bleedingTNorange said:
What the heck in the OP says JUCOs? It appeared to me he was saying c-USA recruits in general?
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So we bash Zo's recruiting of guys who were courted by high majors, but are gonna applaud Tyndall's because they were courted by mid majors?

That's VN for ya

I was quoting you on this posts. You were comparing Zo recruiting guys coming out of high school being courted by mid majors and now saying we were praising Tyndall's because they were courted by mid majors. The thread was discussing us (CDT) bringing in jucos. Not too hard to follow. I am out because you bring some good info from time to time but you are so far in love with CCM that you really seem (despite your words) to want to see vindication for your old ball coach by CDT failing. Heck, he may fail but I hope not. He was not my first choice but at this point we have to give him a shot and we are stuck with him for better or worse for a long time. I am out! No more of arguing this point because you only see what you want to see.
 
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Parity? This year # is final conference ranking CUSA vs Majors
#1 USM beat #6 Missouri, #10 Depaul
#2 La Tech beat #2 Oklahoma, #3 Georgia
#5 UTEP beat #4 Tennessee
#8 UAB beat #4 North Carolina, #4 Nebraska
#9 Charlotte beat #1 Michigan, #5 Kansas State
#11 North Texas beat #9 Texas A&M

By the way, the post about more players being in the NBA from the power conferences is quite meaningless in this discussion. Seven schools have produced 25% of the players in the NBA. This discussion is about 73 major schools versus 272 mid majors! It has very little to do with players in the NBA. That represents a fraction of a per cent of college basketball players.
 
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It's according to what you're going for, can guys like that fill gaps and become good players? Yes, that's what Josh Richardson has done.

Can you win a championship with them? Nope.

As I've pointed out many times, no school has won the national title without having a top 20 class and in most cases, multiple top 20 classes, in many decades.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
It's according to what you're going for, can guys like that fill gaps and become good players? Yes, that's what Josh Richardson has done.
Can you win a championship with them? Nope.
As I've pointed out many times, no school has won the national title without having a top 20 class and in most cases, multiple top 20 classes, in many decades.
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Suggest you listen to Coach T's plans on the Nashville radio link in another thread!
 
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SeniorDrill said:
Parity? This year # is final conference ranking CUSA vs Majors

#1 USM beat #6 Missouri, #10 Depaul; and lost to Western Kentucky (#2 Sun Belt), Tulsa (#4 CUSA), UAB (#8 CUSA), MTU (#3 CUSA), and Minny (#7 B1G).

#2 La Tech beat #2 Oklahoma, #3 Georgia; and lost to St. Mary's (#4 West Coast), UL-L (#3 Sun Belt), UTEP (#5 CUSA), East Carolina (#12 CUSA), Tulsa (#4 CUSA), and FSU (#7 ACC).

#5 UTEP beat #4 Tennessee; and lost to 11-15 New Orleans (#9 Southland), Charlotte (#9 CUSA), 10-22 FAU (#13 CUSA), Tulsa (#4 CUSA), and Fresno State (#7 Mountain West).

#8 UAB beat #4 North Carolina, #4 Nebraska; and lost to 9-22 Temple (#9 AAC), MTU twice (#3 CUSA), UTEP (#5 CUSA), North Texas (#11 CUSA), East Carolina (#12 CUSA), 10-22 FAU (#13 CUSA), 15-16 FIU (#10 CUSA), Tulane (#7 CUSA), and Charlotte (#9 CUSA).

#9 Charlotte beat #1 Michigan, #5 Kansas State; and lost to 14-18 College of Charleston (#6 Colonial), 16-17 GT (#12 ACC), 7-23 Rice (#16, dead last, CUSA), 8-22 UTSA (#15 CUSA), 11-22 Marshall (#14 CUSA), UAB (#8 CUSA), and East Carolina (#12 CUSA).

#11 North Texas beat #9 Texas A&M; and lost to Tulane twice (#7 CUSA), Charlotte (#9 CUSA), 7-23 Rice (#16, dead last, CUSA), Old Dominion (#6 CUSA), UTEP (#5 CUSA), and Tulsa twice (#4 CUSA).
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Sooo, I'm guessing your point is that a few CUSA teams were fortunate enough to pull off 1 or 2 half-decent upsets last year; but ultimately lost a lot more games against some pretty lame mid-major competition, proving there's still a pretty wide talent gap between most mid-majors and major conferences.

Because if the intended point is anything other than that, the facts don't support it. In fact, those few upsets can just be attributed to major teams having an off night.

Not really sure why you put TAMU in there; they were an absolutely atrocious team last season and don't even represent the average team in a down SEC year.
 
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G8R8U2 said:
Sooo, I'm guessing your point is that a few CUSA teams were fortunate enough to pull off 1 or 2 half-decent upsets last year; but ultimately lost a lot more games against some pretty lame mid-major competition, proving there's still a pretty wide talent gap between most mid-majors and major conferences. Because if the intended point is anything other than that, the facts don't support it. In fact, those few upsets can just be attributed to major teams having an off night.Not really sure why you put TAMU in there; they were an absolutely atrocious team last season and don't even represent the average team in a down SEC year.
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They lost to good mid-major teams overall. That atrocious A&M team beat the Vols twice. That Michigan team that knocked the Vols out of the Elite 8 lost to a 17-14 Charlotte team at home. I mean what' the difference, Tennessee losing to you atrocious 18-16 A&M team or the North Texas team that beat A&M that was 16-16? The point is if the big boys were not afraid to play the little guys who are really not so little there would be a hell of a lot more Charlotte's beating Michigans. Oh, by the way was that not a mid major that went undefeated in the regular season this year ranked number one for most of the year. You power conference elites are delusional!
 
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"OK, now I'm where I can compete to go to a Final Four and win a national championship. I'm ready. I'm not like intimidated or in awe in any way. I'm excited and prideful but on the flip side I expected to be where I am right now!"
 
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There is more parity. No one can argue this. That's why coaching is that much more important. For whatever reason the sec has been down both in talent and coaching (sans UK).
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So we bash Zo's recruiting of guys who were courted by high majors, but are gonna applaud Tyndall's because they were courted by mid majors?

That's VN for ya
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Lol,.,,you're leaving out one HUGE part of that puzzle..,, time on the job .,,, but of course you knew that.
 
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SeniorDrill said:
They lost to good mid-major teams overall. That atrocious A&M team beat the Vols twice. That Michigan team that knocked the Vols out of the Elite 8 lost to a 17-14 Charlotte team at home. I mean what' the difference, Tennessee losing to you atrocious 18-16 A&M team or the North Texas team that beat A&M that was 16-16? The point is if the big boys were not afraid to play the little guys who are really not so little there would be a hell of a lot more Charlotte's beating Michigans. Oh, by the way was that not a mid major that went undefeated in the regular season this year ranked number one for most of the year. You power conference elites are delusional!
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The point is, losing a game or 2 doesn't mean jack.

Is there more parity in basketball than football? Of course, you only need to find 10 good players to compete in basketball, and injuries are not as frequent or as debilitating; whereas you better have 60 or 70 good football players to compete at the highest level.

That being the case, there will be an awful lot of competent teams; but the fact still remains that titles typically go to teams with elite talent.

If you want to get an idea about the potential of your prospects, simply look at their offer lists. Because there are 350 DI basketball teams, there are a lot of great talent evaluators (coaches) all over the country... simply look at who's chasing the recruits your own coach is chasing.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Didn't look at it, but out of our 13 loses this year how much does Tyndall change them.

IOW how many loses are turned into wins with Tyndall as a coach.

Texas A*M (2), Vandy, UTEP, NC State, FL x3, KY, Xavier, Wichita State, Missouri, Mich.

We gain +6-8 wins. Record becomes 30-7
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How could you possibly know this?
 
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k-town_king said:
How could you possibly know this?
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I don't know this. Where did I say I did. Don't worry I will not try to defend any of it like so many hard heads would.

But for the heck of it disprove it if you want to do so.

UTEP is a win. Tyndall is 4-0 against them.

Probably Pressure Vandy to Death. +1

Texas A*M +1 or +2

Did you see the NC State Game?

Not hard to speculate. Tyndall did beat Mo at Missouri with his SMU team. by 9.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
Didn't look at it, but out of our 13 loses this year how much does Tyndall change them.

IOW how many loses are turned into wins with Tyndall as a coach.

Texas A*M (2), Vandy, UTEP, NC State, FL x3, KY, Xavier, Wichita State, Missouri, Mich.

We gain +6-8 wins. Record becomes 30-7
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Sudden Impact said:
I don't know this. Where did I say I did.
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Is that not what you are saying?

I really don't want to argue. I just don't know why people can't just discuss the new coach and what he brings and will do. Certain posters want to look back and say this would have or wouldn't have happened with a different coach. Who knows and who cares? What can CDT do moving forward? That's what we should be discussing.
 
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3-4 for sure. Now, we may not have won one or two as well, but this years team in Tyndall's system takes one from Florida, runs vandy out of the gym at vandy and doesn't score mid 50's in games against the Aggies where we looked like we were playing at 75% speed and intensity. Probably runs Xavier out of the gym as well like we did in the 2nd game after not having the same gamplan in the first outing. We made Xavier a halfcourt game and allowed a big oaf to dominate instead of running his ass so much he wouldn't make it 5 minutes. Why is it that many of us knew what needed to be done the first time around, and Martin chose that plan the 2nd time around? Big oaf hardly played and was a nonfactor.
 
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k-town_king said:
Is that not what you are saying?

I really don't want to argue. I just don't know why people can't just discuss the new coach and what he brings and will do. Certain posters want to look back and say this would have or wouldn't have happened with a different coach. Who knows and who cares? What can CDT do moving forward? That's what we should be discussing.
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This is talking about the new coach with the old team.

Somebody was not impressed with Tyndall's record at Southern Miss last year so I applied it to the Vols. Fair enough.

That's pretty impressive. He beat two teams we didn't last year.
 
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Spartacavolus said:
3-4 for sure. Now, we may not have won one or two as well, but this years team in Tyndall's system takes one from Florida, runs vandy out of the gym at vandy and doesn't score mid 50's in games against the Aggies where we looked like we were playing at 75% speed and intensity. Probably runs Xavier out of the gym as well like we did in the 2nd game after not having the same gamplan in the first outing. We made Xavier a halfcourt game and allowed a big oaf to dominate instead of running his ass so much he wouldn't make it 5 minutes. Why is it that many of us knew what needed to be done the first time around, and Martin chose that plan the 2nd time around? Big oaf hardly played and was a nonfactor.
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Once again how would you know this? He lost to Western Kentucky only scored 65. Scored 60 and lost by 24 to UAB. And many other bad games. Scored 67 points vs Jackson State. 66 vs South Alabama. Scored only 67 and won by 5 67-62 vs 6-25 Houston Baptist. Won by 1 point 70-69 vs North Dakota State. Had to go to OT to beat Georgia State. Not Georgia, but Georgia State.

Don't let facts get in the way of your agenda though. We don't and never will know who would have done what if the jobs were reversed.
 
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Sudden Impact said:
This is talking about the new coach with the old team.

Somebody was not impressed with Tyndall's record at Southern Miss last year so I applied it to the Vols. Fair enough.

That's pretty impressive. He beat two teams we didn't last year.
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You miss the point entirely...I am in no way against Donnie Tyndall. I love Tennessee and want the best for them. Not sure you can say that. My point is some of you think he is the next Adolph Rupp, if you happen to be old enough to know who he is! I don't think CDT is a bad coach, I think he may be in over his head like so many of you think CCM was over his. To look at someone's RPI is to get an idea of what his ability is. I, personally do not like the idea of JC players in the SEC. Perhaps, this is his idea of how we will come back to prominace in the SEC. To me not so sure. You, my friend need to take the blinders off and look at the whole program and where it might be heading. I hope with everything that is in me, that CDT can have success at Tennessee. This is a big step and to think that you don't look back at his accomplishments is very narrow minded, IMO!
 
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