Top priorities to give the Vols their best shot at a Championship

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lacrossepro70

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(don't say fire Fulmer please)
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1.Coker needs to develop and become the freak he's capable of by getting a little stronger and staying healthy.

2.The D-line will need to improve. There was a weak pass rush and bad run-stopping this year. The chemistry amongst freshman d-lineman this year will be good. Ben Martin is a great pass rusher and Langley and Meclandon are good runstoppers. Fisher, Bolden, and Ayers will need to have big years

3.*** The playmakers coming in from this year's recruiting class will need to produce, and they most likely will. Ainge is great at the quick, short WR screen passes, and Vinson, Berry, Jones, and O'Neal if they play well will turn them into big plays.

That said, our playmakers this year will be as fast as anyone's in the country. All those guys I just mentioned + Coker are incredibly fast.

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lacrossepro70 said:
(don't say fire Fulmer please)
:good!:

1.Coker needs to develop and become the freak he's capable of by getting a little stronger and staying healthy.

2.The D-line will need to improve. There was a weak pass rush and bad run-stopping this year. The chemistry amongst freshman d-lineman this year will be good. Ben Martin is a great pass rusher and Langley and Meclandon are good runstoppers. Fisher, Bolden, and Ayers will need to have big years

3.*** The playmakers coming in from this year's recruiting class will need to produce, and they most likely will. Ainge is great at the quick, short WR screen passes, and Vinson, Berry, Jones, and O'Neal if they play well will turn them into big plays.

That said, our playmakers this year will be as fast as anyone's in the country. All those guys I just mentioned + Coker are incredibly fast.

Feel free to expand if you would like!
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Things that must happen for us to win sec championship.

-Cal; we'll probably win that one

- Fla forget to show up and we win by forfeit (unlikely to happen but you never know)

- Ga can't see us beating Richt twice in a row w/ Fulmer on sidelines

- Ala; hope they have an off day (but unlikely)

- SC; hope we can find some kind of way for Fulmer to beat Spurrier twice in a row (don't think its ever happened in - may have but can't remember if it did)

- Hope we can win in Lexington and not lose to Brooks (like we almost did this year)

- Hope we don't draw Joe Pa in bowl game; too much time to prep for Phil and his predictable ways

With all that said; I don't see us winning any titles next year. Well, we may go to non bcs bowl and win but who cares about that.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
3.*** The playmakers coming in from this year's recruiting class will need to produce, and they most likely will. Ainge is great at the quick, short WR screen passes, and Vinson, Berry, Jones, and O'Neal if they play well will turn them into big plays.
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Is Berry gonna be a receiver?
 
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knxfbfan said:
Things that must happen for us to win sec championship.

-Cal; we'll probably win that one

- Fla forget to show up and we win by forfeit (unlikely to happen but you never know)

- Ga can't see us beating Richt twice in a row w/ Fulmer on sidelines

- Ala; hope they have an off day (but unlikely)

- SC; hope we can find some kind of way for Fulmer to beat Spurrier twice in a row (don't think its ever happened in - may have but can't remember if it did)

- Hope we can win in Lexington and not lose to Brooks (like we almost did this year)

- Hope we don't draw Joe Pa in bowl game; too much time to prep for Phil and his predictable ways

With all that said; I don't see us winning any titles next year. Well, we may go to non bcs bowl and win but who cares about that.
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Some would call you negative. I'd just say it's ignorance.
 
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UTLCA said:
Some would call you negative. I'd just say it's ignorance.
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Ok, then UTCLA, let's hear your take on next season. We'll go 9-3 if we're lucky (I mean very lucky). More than likely we go 8-4 (our losses will be Fla, Ala, Ga w/ a possibility of someone else, Phil typically sometimes will find a away to lose one he shouldn't each year)

Ignorance would be if you think Phil is a great coach, blessed w/ plenty ignorance would be if you think we'll go 10-2 or better next season. We should rename the school UTM (UT Mediocrity)
 
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knxfbfan said:
Ok, then UTCLA, let's hear your take on next season. We'll go 9-3 if we're lucky (I mean very lucky). More than likely we go 8-4 (our losses will be Fla, Ala, Ga w/ a possibility of someone else, Phil typically sometimes will find a away to lose one he shouldn't each year)

Ignorance would be if you think Phil is a great coach, blessed w/ plenty ignorance would be if you think we'll go 10-2 or better next season. We should rename the school UTM (UT Mediocrity)
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Well theres the first person to fail the challenge. Anyone else as surprised as I am?
 
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three things have to happen in my mind for next year to be special:
1. development and depth across the O Line. this group has to get much, much better in run blocking. the running game will have to be an intracle part of next year's offense.
2. development and depth across the front seven. pretty much the same thing here. they have to shut down the run w/out help. the front four has to be able to get some penetration and get pressure on the qb.
3. Potential at WR has to turn in to results. i think we're talented there, but they are unproven. they have to step up and prove they can stretch the feild and make the 3rd down grabs etc......

If all three of those things happen, we will have a shot.
 
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If you mean a BCS championship, I'd say top priority is to join the Big LEast.

If its to win the SEC, I'd say top priority is to improve offensive line play.
 
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It is difficult to compete for championships from mid-pack, which is exactly where we are, and will stay for the foreseeable future.

But it's not all bad....If it helps I think we have 4th place sewed up.

Not too shabby.....for Kentucky.:pardon:
 
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'Boro-vol said:
It is difficult to compete for championships from mid-pack, which is exactly where we are, and will stay for the foreseeable future.

But it's not all bad....If it helps I think we have 4th place sewed up.

Not too shabby.....for Kentucky.:pardon:
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I'm w/ you 'Boro-Vol; we're middle pack in sec, too bad our coach makes over $2 mil per year for middle of pack results. Even the Buzz Peterson of NCAA Football (Mike Shula) could keep us at least in the middle of the pack for much less $$$.

We need at top tier coach
 
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Mike Shula is simply not Buzz Peterson. He never had the full amount of Scholarships as long as he coached there and still had a winning record!

Absurd, and dare I say IGNORANT. Again.
 
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UTLCA said:
Mike Shula is simply not Buzz Peterson. He never had the full amount of Scholarships as long as he coached there and still had a winning record!

Absurd, and dare I say IGNORANT. Again.
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26-24 in four years @ Ala, he didn't have that short of scholarships. '05 he did well, '06 he sucked. Never beat 'Rubberville' in four tries. He's the "football Buzz" u may disagree but many do agree...Shula's not a bad coach, he's avg. Saban is twice as good as Shula

Are you some sort of 'guru' or something. I'd like to here your brief take on the following coaches: Meyer, Shula, Fulmer, "Rut"cliffe, Rubberville, Spurrier, Miles. Guru, enlighten me on what I'm missing on these guys, please.
 
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UTLCA said:
I don't know what you have on them in the first place.
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I was just wanting to know your thoughts on those guys. I think they all are decent coaches at least. Some I think are really good coaches. Just curious what you thought since you say every post I make is IGNORant or absurd. With you always saying that I figured you must be the 'guru'.

Do you agree or disagree w/ this quote. Phil took us to another level in the 90's, now he has took us right back to where we were before he took over. He led us to top 5-6 programs in the nation, now he has led us to top 5-6 in the sec.

Share some of your rich wisdom...
 
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1. Line of scrimmage both sides of the ball. Otherwise we'll lose a couple close games again by our defense being on the field the whole game (lsu), us not being able to run (uf, hell the whole season), or teams just straight out beating the crap out of us (psu, arkansas).

2. Someone develop into a "go-to" receiver. I think with someone stepping up as the #1 target would go a long long way towards the depth chart figuring itself out.

3. Somehow move three new starters into the secondary and not get burned every game. This reminds me of '04 when we started two freshmen corners and ranked last in pass defense in the sec...then again we also had jason allen at safety and still made it to the sec cg.

4. Running back, someone needs to grab the job and stay there. I think an approach where Coker gets 70% of the carries (roughly) and Hardesty and/or Foster get the rest. Coker has had injury problems and for all his speed I dont think I saw him break one tackle, but he can obviously break a run if he gets space.

5. KICKER. This could be a huge deal.

With all those questions I think we'll need a fair share of breaks to win any kind of championship. We definately have the talent on the offensive side of the ball...the question is do we have the talent on the defensive side of the ball?
 
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Well when you're in the Top 5-6 in the SEC these days, you have to look at the competition. It is much different than it was 10 years ago. You have some of the best coaches in the world in our conference, it not like that anywhere else in college football.

You say all of these coaches are better than ours, but how? Tubberville has no NC's and when is the last time he won the SEC? 2004, and then when? Miles hasn't ever won one, and Fulmer is 1-1 against him, SHOULD be 2-0. Meyer has the state of Florida to recruit from, AND has a gimmick offense that we proved we could stop. He has not outcoached Phil in the two games he's had against us.

Richt has no NC's and while he has his share of wins over Phil, we've gone to Athens and beaten him twice the last two times we played there. He also had the benefit of Senior QB play, something we haven't had in years.

Shula was at a disadvantage with scholarships, and you can say what you want, but it is true. He also was on the verge of the BCS until Prothro went down for his next two years. That basically killed his offense.

I don't know that much about Cutcliffe because he had Eli and went 10-3 4 years ago, but then without Eli he didn't do anything.

And Spurrier is, well Spurrier, but he'll never be what he was at UF, and he is losing Rice so we'll see what Mitchell can do without him. I say USC stays where they are for awhile.
 
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UTLCA said:
Well when you're in the Top 5-6 in the SEC these days, you have to look at the competition. It is much different than it was 10 years ago. You have some of the best coaches in the world in our conference, it not like that anywhere else in college football.

You say all of these coaches are better than ours, but how? Tubberville has no NC's and when is the last time he won the SEC? 2004, and then when? Miles hasn't ever won one, and Fulmer is 1-1 against him, SHOULD be 2-0. Meyer has the state of Florida to recruit from, AND has a gimmick offense that we proved we could stop. He has not outcoached Phil in the two games he's had against us.

Richt has no NC's and while he has his share of wins over Phil, we've gone to Athens and beaten him twice the last two times we played there. He also had the benefit of Senior QB play, something we haven't had in years.

Shula was at a disadvantage with scholarships, and you can say what you want, but it is true. He also was on the verge of the BCS until Prothro went down for his next two years. That basically killed his offense.

I don't know that much about Cutcliffe because he had Eli and went 10-3 4 years ago, but then without Eli he didn't do anything.

And Spurrier is, well Spurrier, but he'll never be what he was at UF, and he is losing Rice so we'll see what Mitchell can do without him. I say USC stays where they are for awhile.
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I agree sec is tough as its ever been

No you read me wrong on the coaches post, I don't think 'Ruber'ville is any better than Fulmer (although he has won the last three vs. Phil). I say them two are even. Fulmer is better than Miles. I was just wanting your take on those coaches. Shula, avg coach almost beat Phil w/ 6-6 team.

Now Richt, Meyer, Spurrier & Saban are all flat out better than Phil.
 
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Did you watch the UF- Bama game? The Tide were driving to take the lead with 6 min left in the 4th quarter.
 
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UTLCA said:
Well when you're in the Top 5-6 in the SEC these days, you have to look at the competition. It is much different than it was 10 years ago. You have some of the best coaches in the world in our conference, it not like that anywhere else in college football.

You say all of these coaches are better than ours, but how? Tubberville has no NC's and when is the last time he won the SEC? 2004, and then when? Miles hasn't ever won one, and Fulmer is 1-1 against him, SHOULD be 2-0. Meyer has the state of Florida to recruit from, AND has a gimmick offense that we proved we could stop. He has not outcoached Phil in the two games he's had against us.

Richt has no NC's and while he has his share of wins over Phil, we've gone to Athens and beaten him twice the last two times we played there. He also had the benefit of Senior QB play, something we haven't had in years.

Shula was at a disadvantage with scholarships, and you can say what you want, but it is true. He also was on the verge of the BCS until Prothro went down for his next two years. That basically killed his offense.

I don't know that much about Cutcliffe because he had Eli and went 10-3 4 years ago, but then without Eli he didn't do anything.

And Spurrier is, well Spurrier, but he'll never be what he was at UF, and he is losing Rice so we'll see what Mitchell can do without him. I say USC stays where they are for awhile.
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You make two statements here and I address them in turn.

1. Meyer has the State of Florida to recruit from.

Answer: Yes, this is true. But that is not going to change, so why are you noting it as though it is a variable that will one day make a difference in your favor? Seems quite the opposite to me.

Oh, and by the way, the recruits are now flocking to Florida from all over, not just Florida. Harvin is from Va.

2. Last year, UT stopped Florida's gimmick offense.

First, any person with a smidegeon of football knowledge realizes that what Florida was running in September was about one fifth the offense it ran on January 8 as the players (particularly the O-line) got caught up on it. And what you saw on January 8 is just a preview. Now that Meyer can focus on Tebow connecting with the likes of Harvin, watch out. The "gimmick" is going to be flat out wild next year.

Second, you did not stop the offense. Statistically it was not a close contest. For the zillionth time, that UT came within a point of Florida was flukish. It was nowhere near that close. (Though I'll concede that had more to do with Florida's defense than its offense).

I don't know if one can say that Meyer outcoached Fulmer over the last two years, or not. What I can say with great confidence is that, as a team, Florida outperformed Tennessee in both games and every indication is that Florida is loaded up to do it again. And again. And again. And again.
 
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lawgator1 said:
You make two statements here and I address them in turn.

1. Meyer has the State of Florida to recruit from.

Answer: Yes, this is true. But that is not going to change, so why are you noting it as though it is a variable that will one day make a difference in your favor? Seems quite the opposite to me.

Oh, and by the way, the recruits are now flocking to Florida from all over, not just Florida. Harvin is from Va.

2. Last year, UT stopped Florida's gimmick offense.

First, any person with a smidegeon of football knowledge realizes that what Florida was running in September was about one fifth the offense it ran on January 8 as the players (particularly the O-line) got caught up on it. And what you saw on January 8 is just a preview. Now that Meyer can focus on Tebow connecting with the likes of Harvin, watch out. The "gimmick" is going to be flat out wild next year.

Second, you did not stop the offense. Statistically it was not a close contest. For the zillionth time, that UT came within a point of Florida was flukish. It was nowhere near that close. (Though I'll concede that had more to do with Florida's defense than its offense).

I don't know if one can say that Meyer outcoached Fulmer over the last two years, or not. What I can say with great confidence is that, as a team, Florida outperformed Tennessee in both games and every indication is that Florida is loaded up to do it again. And again. And again. And again.
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Come off the smug 'tude. I was a supporter all year, but Florida, a la UT in '98, got every break imaginable on their way to the promised land. That's what it takes as resident in SEC East.

As for outcoaching Fulmer, he would have to purposefully hurt the team in order to be outcoached by CPF.

Finally, I'd back off the Tebow trash talk until he actually has had to win a game or convert something longer than 3rd & 3. I wouldn't trade any of the young SEC quarterbacks for him today. He might fit the spread well, but it would not have worked even a little this year with him starting and playing full time. The kid at UGA will be farther along than Tebow to start the '07 season.

Finally, I'd b
 
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2 things Law.

1. Tebow to Harvin scares me very badly.
2. No matter what, a one point game is very, very close.
 
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