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LOL, do you live under a rock? Peyton was accused of steroids. He admitted buying HGH, but think he said it was for his wife?
HGH sent to Peyton Manning's home, but lawyers say it wasn't for QB according to report
I’m not going to say an unkind word about Peyton. And referring to him as mid tier is just lunacy.
But, Brady has had the better career.
There are certain stats about players where if you talk to former players their heads explode because they can’t fathom the stat you give them.
You mention Jerry Rice’s stats to WR and then tell them he played before the game changed to make it more passing friendly and their head explodes
You mention the amount of times Emmitt Smith carried the football in his career and people who played RB can’t wrap their head around it.
You have players stop and think about playing in 9 Super Bowls in their career and it’s mind blowing. 12 conference championship games in his career and the team has played in 8 straight. Same goes for all the statistical playoff records.
Better career? Tom Brady.
Better overall player? Peyton Manning.
Manning played the QB position about as good as you can get.
No, he wasn’t the fastest nor the strongest but he was SMART. He could read defenses and knew exactly who to throw the ball too.
You can’t sit there with a straight face and tell me Brady is a better athlete than Manning. It’s just not accurate.
None? He started 16 games and 3 playoff games.
I believe he was a factor
He also had four straight completions on third-and-ten or longer in the AFCCG that led to the single most pathetic display of whining in pro sports in the modern era when Reid and all the KC fans basically said it wasn't fair for Tom Brady to get the ball first in overtime, i.e. because they knew if he got the ball the game was over.None? He started 16 games and 3 playoff games.
I believe he was a factor
If you really are a football guru, Peyton Manning is better that Brady......Peyton spent almost his entire career on average to below average teams, multiple head coaches and coordinators, sometimes outright bad defenses..
Brady has obviously had much more continuity, stability, and support from coaching to administration to personnel....
....Look at the numbers......also, the eye test favors Peyton considering he basically led the team, called the plays, etc.......
I won't get into an argument if someone says Brady is better, but I'm proud to state my case.
Here's a better question: How many Superbowls would Peyton have if he was drafted at the same time by the Pats?
This is about as silly and specious as an argument ever could be. I listed several quarterbacks who either already are in or will be in the HOF, all of whom didn't say, "It's close, but Brady edges out Manning;" they stated flatly that Brady was the greatest; I'm pretty confident those guys are smart enough to understand the difference in the level of coaching Brady has had and what Manning did, although one or two people consider Tony Dungy a pretty decent coach. But somehow you're a guru and Aikman and Young and Kelly know nothing about football, or more specifically the quarterback position?If you really are a football guru, Peyton Manning is better that Brady......Peyton spent almost his entire career on average to below average teams, multiple head coaches and coordinators, sometimes outright bad defenses..
Brady has obviously had much more continuity, stability, and support from coaching to administration to personnel....
....Look at the numbers......also, the eye test favors Peyton considering he basically led the team, called the plays, etc.......
I won't get into an argument if someone says Brady is better, but I'm proud to state my case.
Here's a better question: How many Superbowls would Peyton have if he was drafted at the same time by the Pats?
Freak should ban you from VN for this thread. What the hell were you thinking? Are your parents brother and sister? Dammit! Why are some people stupid?Who had the better career overall? I know brady is still playing and isnt done. Is there any way we can say that Peyton had a better career? OR is he more of a mid tier Hall of Famer?
This is about as silly and specious as an argument ever could be. I listed several quarterbacks who either already are in or will be in the HOF, all of whom didn't say, "It's close, but Brady edges out Manning;" they stated flatly that Brady was the greatest; I'm pretty confident those guys are smart enough to understand the difference in the level of coaching Brady has had and what Manning did, although one or two people consider Tony Dungy a pretty decent coach. But somehow you're a guru and Aikman and Young and Kelly know nothing about football, or more specifically the quarterback position?
I also listed very specific, inarguable examples that don't just disprove the idea that Manning played with inferior teams, they show how blatantly dishonest and just laughable that claim is. Continuing to trumpet the idea that playing with two HOF wideouts at the same time for the majority of one's career is somehow playing with inferior talent to Reche Caldwell, who was the top wideout Brady for one of his Super Bowl appearances, or that Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison are inferior to Julian Edelman and Danny Amendola, who were the two top wideouts two SB victories ago for Brady, really lays bare how far the homers will go in their distortion of the truth (I'm working really hard here not to use the more frank word for what you're doing). Manning also had a HOF running back at the same time he had those two receivers...And he still only won one Super Bowl with that embarrassment of riches for weapons the like of which Brady has never come close to having.
I think you have a poor understanding of the meaning of the word, "dispel." It's not possible to dispel a comment more completely than I did your assertion that Brady has played with better talent - I gave very specific, and again, inarguable examples that you haven't even tried to discredit; you tried to change the topic by shifting to the defenses Brady has had. And that comment also proves you either haven't paid a lot of attention to most of Brady's career or are simply choosing to distort the facts, because he hasn't had a top defense in a long time. The defense was amazing in the playoffs just a few months ago - and that same defense was middle-of-the-road, or at times worse than that, for most of the regular season, with no more proof needed than the fact they lost five games, the most they've ever lost and still made the playoffs with Brady. They got blown out by Detroit and Tennessee, and if you watched either game you know the defense was pathetic both times.Throughout your rant, you weren't able to dispel one comment that I made in my post. You seem to be debating yourself......or at least questioning yourself..let's start with your first piece of evidence that Brady is better than Manning
1) other HOF quarterbacks say so
I'm willing to bet there may be some that say Peyton.
This is your most silly and specious argument....there's alot of NBA players today that say Lebron is better than MJ.....I know better
2)the closest you came was proving manning played with some good offensive players. Point taken....however, I would argue that Brady also enjoyed some historically great defenses and I'm sure many of those guys will end up in the HOF....I could list those, but for brevity I'll ask about the 2000's Colts. Besides Freeney, anyone else on those defenses paramount in their success?
3) Dungy was a good HC for a few years....belichick is the greatest of all time. TB has spent his entire career with him and has enjoyed the continuity and stability that we all know is rare and vital for long term success for any organization or team.
4) superbowls are the most important stat. However, it shouldn't be the only measuring stick. Peyton's numbers are better in almost every statistical category
5) again, I don't have a problem when Brady is labeled the goat. I can see that argument...but, I don't think it's as homerun as some say....especially if you really remember the imprint that Manning had on the position he played and the teams he was on....
I think you have a poor understanding of the meaning of the word, "dispel." It's not possible to dispel a comment more completely than I did your assertion that Brady has played with better talent - I gave very specific, and again, inarguable examples that you haven't even tried to discredit; you tried to change the topic by shifting to the defenses Brady has had. And that comment also proves you either haven't paid a lot of attention to most of Brady's career or are simply choosing to distort the facts, because he hasn't had a top defense in a long time. The defense was amazing in the playoffs just a few months ago - and that same defense was middle-of-the-road, or at times worse than that, for most of the regular season, with no more proof needed than the fact they lost five games, the most they've ever lost and still made the playoffs with Brady. They got blown out by Detroit and Tennessee, and if you watched either game you know the defense was pathetic both times.
"Peyton's numbers are better in almost every statistical category"
This has every bit as much truth and validity to it as if I were to state that I'm the President of the United States; it's every bit as risible and false of a statement.
Brady has the record for the most yards in the history of the NFL, regular season and postseason combined. He also holds the record for the most wins. He also holds the record for the most TDs in history counting regular and postseason. He'll pass Manning this season both for passing yards and passing TDs in the regular season.
How many regular-season yards, touchdowns, and completions do you think Brady would have right now if he had had Reggie Wayne and Marvin Harrison together on the same team for eight years like Peyton did? He'd have 100,000 yards and 1,000 TDs.
Ty Law just got inducted into the HOF. All but two of the other Patriots defenders you listed are eligible for the HOF (and most have been for a while now), but have been ignored for it, so perhaps they're not so far beyond the Colts defenders Manning played with as you might suggest. Mayo and Wilfork will both be eligible soon, and I would wager all the money I've ever made that neither will be selected; they were good players, but not on the level you're implying.Dispel=to make rid of, to "drive out, scatter"....in other words I believe that because of your love and affection for TB, you are trying to make every attempt to dispel rational thinking and logic...
Manning: TD Passes #1
4000+ passing seasons #1
Single season passing yds #1
TDs in a season #1
MVP awards #1
Career game winning drives #1
Career comebacks #1
208 consecutive starts
Notable Colts Defenders in Manning era:
Dwight Freeney
(V.Miller and Bailey with Broncos)....FYI= you realize when he had a Patriotslike Defense he won the SB......but you might not have thought that Broncos defense was great since your evaluation of the Patriots defenses seem to be sub par?
Notable Patriot defensive greats:
Rodney Harrison (future HOF?)
Ty Law (future HOF?)
Richard Seymour
Teddy bruschi
Mike Vrabel
Vince Wilfork
Willie McGinest
Jerod Mayo (VFL)
The list goes on and on and on and on......
It's also worth noting Brady has had a top 10 defense 10 times in his career and a top 5 defense 5 times...in fact there has only been two years in which he has played that his defense wasn't in the top 10....so let's not say its "inarguable" that his success has been greatly increased because of those historic defenses. Also, while I would never use the term "inarguable", many objective sports fans do attest to Belichick's aptitude for coaching.
You keep saying that all your points are "inarguable"...this just sounds like someone offended by pushback......just because you tell yourself something over and over and truly believe it in your heart doesn't make something that is, in fact, arguable---'not arguable.....
I've told you I get Bradys greatness....you've become overwhelmed with his come from behind moments, great SB victories and the like....My judgement is clouded by seeing things in orange....fortunately for you, most people would agree with you which is a good thing, right...? I'll concede to you that Brady has had the better career, but I stop short of calling him a better QB...but who knows, looks like he has 5 more years..