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Grand Vol said:
Try Walmart at 3:00 AM instead...
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You kidding? That's the best time to go. I'd rather be in a mostly empty store with a few crazies(like me) meandering the rows late at night instead of being there during prime time with an entire Nascar crowd packed in there like sardines.
 
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Dr Dread said:
This example addresses the economic aspect of the area, which goes toward my original point. There has to be a change in the economic makeup of an area in order to have lasting change in the crime rate.
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cops have to come in first and establish a presence. consider it "clearing the site" before starting any construction.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I must be a lucky mother****er for going to just about every Walgreens and CVS in Jacksonville(including those in the hood!) and never experiencing a shootout, or fearing for my life, or needing cops to save me from pillheads trying to make off with the stash.
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remind me where anyone said that EVERY drug deal goes wrong, that EVERY meth/pot/crackhead has a shoot out over drugs, with the cops/gangs/imaginary ghost.

Its a habit forming substance there will be issues with it regardless of legality.

Robber gangs terrorize Colorado pot shops

Colorado Springs Medical Marijuana Dispensary Robbed | News - Home

read down pretty far on this. 50% of dispensaries attacked. Has Legalized Marijuana Sparked A Crime Wave?
 
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MercyPercy said:
And..? Since when is it rational to disregard the whole picture in favor of a small snapshot of variance?
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This is the logic you want to use?

Apply your same logic to the war on terror....

Because, it's not rational to the whole picture in favor of a small snapshot of variance....
 
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LouderVol said:
remind me where anyone said that EVERY drug deal goes wrong, that EVERY meth/pot/crackhead has a shoot out over drugs, with the cops/gangs/imaginary ghost.
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Whatever your point is here, I'm afraid it's lost in the bigger picture. My point was that it's always going to be safer and more practical to buy your drugs from a legitimate business compared to on the streets from a shady gang. That in itself does immense damage to the violent criminal organizations profiting off a product only they carry. It's one of the simplest and most straightforward ways of hitting those bad guys where it hurts, but we haven't done it because people are under the absurd notion that legalizing these substances will somehow turn out WORSE for this country than the current system has already led us.

Its a habit forming substance there will be issues with it regardless of legality.
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The pharmacy has tons of extremely addictive medication in stock. 2.27 robberies per day in the entire country? Something surely isn't adding up.

Robber gangs terrorize Colorado pot shops

Colorado Springs Medical Marijuana Dispensary Robbed | News - Home

read down pretty far on this. 50% of dispensaries attacked. Has Legalized Marijuana Sparked A Crime Wave?
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I have done a lot of research about dispensaries, I'm aware of the robberies. What you failed to mention, however, is the most important reason as to why they are getting robbed. Wait for it..

They're getting robbed because they have to keep their cash in storage.. they can't deposit it in the bank. If marijuana's federal status wasn't illegal, they wouldn't have so much cash out in the open that everyone knows is there. They're being robbed because it's still illegal at the federal level!

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MercyPercy said:
Whatever your point is here, I'm afraid it's lost in the bigger picture. My point was that it's always going to be safer and more practical to buy your drugs from a legitimate business compared to on the streets from a shady gang. That in itself does immense damage to the violent criminal organizations profiting off a product only they carry. It's one of the simplest and most straightforward ways of hitting those bad guys where it hurts, but we haven't done it because people are under the absurd notion that legalizing these substances will somehow turn out WORSE for this country than the current system has already led us.



The pharmacy has tons of extremely addictive medication in stock. 2.27 robberies per day in the entire country? Something surely isn't adding up.



I have done a lot of research about dispensaries, I'm aware of the robberies. What you failed to mention, however, is the most important reason as to why they are getting robbed. Wait for it..

They're getting robbed because they have to keep their cash in storage.. they can't deposit it in the bank. If marijuana's federal status wasn't illegal, they wouldn't have so much cash out in the open that everyone knows is there. They're being robbed because it's still illegal at the federal level!

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so despite the fact that the article mentions local banks taking the money, the robberies are still only going up. and so your argument now goes something like this: illegal is dangerous, partial legality is even more dangerous, full legality equals relative safety? pretty much every aspect of the Colorado experiment has failed. drug related crimes are up in Colorado, we were talking about legal stores being safe, they are not. now that i have presented facts you are changing your argument. you said having a set store would make pot safer for all. not the case.
 
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MercyPercy said:
You kidding? That's the best time to go. I'd rather be in a mostly empty store with a few crazies(like me) meandering the rows late at night instead of being there during prime time with an entire Nascar crowd packed in there like sardines.
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Why doesn't it surprise me?

You're on Faces of Walmart aren't you?
 
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MercyPercy said:
You kidding? That's the best time to go. I'd rather be in a mostly empty store with a few crazies(like me) meandering the rows late at night instead of being there during prime time with an entire Nascar crowd packed in there like sardines.
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The only issue with that is they only have 1 register open at that time. Meaning you could easily find yourself waiting in line for 20-30 minutes. Other than that, I agree. The middle of the night is the best time to go there.
 
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LouderVol said:
so despite the fact that the article mentions local banks taking the money, the robberies are still only going up. and so your argument now goes something like this: illegal is dangerous, partial legality is even more dangerous, full legality equals relative safety?
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You have a serious comprehension problem. My argument is that not only is it safer to buy your drugs from a legal business than it is from gangbangers, you actively put the gangbangers out of business. If you have anything of substance to refute that, you haven't presented it yet.

pretty much every aspect of the Colorado experiment has failed.
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You have not demonstrated this.

drug related crimes are up in Colorado, we were talking about legal stores being safe, they are not. now that i have presented facts you are changing your argument. you said having a set store would make pot safer for all. not the case.
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I'm not changing anything. You got backed into a corner making a dumb argument about pharmacies being these terribly dangerous places.

I can't help it if you want to deny the statistics. You got caught in a position where you needed pharmacies to be dangerous to support your argument. I brought out the numbers, and showed they clearly weren't the danger that you needed for your argument to hold weight.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
The only issue with that is they only have 1 register open at that time. Meaning you could easily find yourself waiting in line for 20-30 minutes. Other than that, I agree. The middle of the night is the best time to go there.
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They only have about 4 out of 16 registers open during rush hour anyway.
 
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This chart has some interesting figures on it, like how legal weed is having a hard time competing against medical marijuana. Also, it shows they aren't getting as much revenue as expected. However, as these articles explain, whatever they aren't making in actual tax revenue, they're getting back by spending tens of millions per year enforcing petty weed violations. They're saving a ton of money avoiding those costs. Medical marijuana has an unfair advantage over legal pot- many who wanted to smoke got their medicinal license before it became fully legal, and now they can buy it cheaper than those without the license. This is admittedly an issue for the legal dispensaries, as many of their potential customers have a cheaper alternative in place already.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/def...juana_Legalization_One_Year_Status_Report.pdf

Legal pot in Colorado: One year in, the state’s experiment with retail marijuana has been a sweeping success.

How Is Marijuana Legalization Going? The Price Of Pot Peace Looks Like A Bargain. - Forbes

Such a failure though. :whistling:
 
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MercyPercy said:
You have a serious comprehension problem. My argument is that not only is it safer to buy your drugs from a legal business than it is from gangbangers, you actively put the gangbangers out of business. If you have anything of substance to refute that, you haven't presented it yet.



You have not demonstrated this.



I'm not changing anything. You got backed into a corner making a dumb argument about pharmacies being these terribly dangerous places.

I can't help it if you want to deny the statistics. You got caught in a position where you needed pharmacies to be dangerous to support your argument. I brought out the numbers, and showed they clearly weren't the danger that you needed for your argument to hold weight.
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uhm, seriously, what numbers did you bring out? i feel like i missed a post somewhere.

do you consider locations of a much higher than normal rate of robbery to be a safe place?

the article mentions the dispensaries being the same as pharmacies (6 years ago), and as time went on they more than doubled in number/percentage robbed. seems like they aren't safe locations, you try to put those robberies aside because of a parameter that wasn't part of the original debate. you said stores are safe, they are not, i backed it up with articles, and going back to my first statement in this post, you haven't backed those up. you simply wave your magic pot wand, ignore the cases against your theory because it doesn't fit an ever changing argument you make, and go on.
 
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MercyPercy said:
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This chart has some interesting figures on it, like how legal weed is having a hard time competing against medical marijuana. Also, it shows they aren't getting as much revenue as expected. However, as these articles explain, whatever they aren't making in actual tax revenue, they're getting back by spending tens of millions per year enforcing petty weed violations. They're saving a ton of money avoiding those costs. Medical marijuana has an unfair advantage over legal pot- many who wanted to smoke got their medicinal license before it became fully legal, and now they can buy it cheaper than those without the license. This is admittedly an issue for the legal dispensaries, as many of their potential customers have a cheaper alternative in place already.

http://www.drugpolicy.org/sites/def...juana_Legalization_One_Year_Status_Report.pdf

Legal pot in Colorado: One year in, the state’s experiment with retail marijuana has been a sweeping success.

How Is Marijuana Legalization Going? The Price Of Pot Peace Looks Like A Bargain. - Forbes

Such a failure though. :whistling:
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really? Colorado is making money off of legally selling pot, you don't say? If a business predicts 100 million in sales and only pulls in 31 million that is a failure. Crimes related to usage has gone up, failure. Trips to the ER for weed related issues have gone up, failure. Number of times emergency personal have responded to pot related incidents have gone up drastically despite limited use (9%) failure. Colorado has not blue shifted into the promised land of legal pot usage that I have heard for years and years. If only we had a place to do this we could show the world. that is what I have heard. and once again the delivery does not match the pitch.
 
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LouderVol said:
uhm, seriously, what numbers did you bring out? i feel like i missed a post somewhere.
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2.27 pharmacy robberies per day across the entire country of 67,000 pharmacies. I'm sure you can do the math and figure out how likely you are to be in danger. Which was your original claim, that pharmacies are dangerous. Don't back down from it, you're going to have to ride that gaff to the end.

do you consider locations of a much higher than normal rate of robbery to be a safe place?

the article mentions the dispensaries being the same as pharmacies (6 years ago), and as time went on they more than doubled in number/percentage robbed.
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Let's back this up all the way to the beginning, I'll be nice and help you out. I said that buying drugs legally would be safer than buying drugs in the streets. You have not refuted this in any way. I compared it to going to a pharmacy. You then erroneously claimed that pharmacies were these super dangerous places, which I thought was pretty stupid right off the bat, but I decided to do some research and find out for myself. And of course, the numbers weren't that scary, as posted above.

I've already addressed the Colorado numbers. Again, if you're a simpleton and don't look at why they're being robbed, it looks bad. However, if you've able to grasp multiple concepts in your head at once, you can see why it's happening. It's happening because most of the places haven't had anywhere to store their cash, so the stores have been sitting on hundreds of thousands of dollars. The only reason that money is sitting there, waiting to be robbed, is because the federal government doesn't recognize the legality of marijuana in the states. We can easily see that the illegality of the substance is again causing crime, where legality would put an end to most of it. You've created your own self defeating argument.

seems like they aren't safe locations, you try to put those robberies aside because of a parameter that wasn't part of the original debate. you said stores are safe, they are not, i backed it up with articles, and going back to my first statement in this post, you haven't backed those up. you simply wave your magic pot wand, ignore the cases against your theory because it doesn't fit an ever changing argument you make, and go on.
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I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about. You made a dumb statement about the dangers of pharmacies, and then you tried to change the argument when I posted statistics that didn't make them seem so scary. You have provided nothing which demonstrates legalization is a failure, much less anything that demonstrates it's more of a failure than the epic blunder that is the war on drugs.

BTW, are you the guy I've argued with before who thought one line of coke was equal to like 50 beers? Jesus Christ, if that was you, I really have been wasting my time. It's hard to keep track.
 
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LouderVol said:
really? Colorado is making money off of legally selling pot, you don't say? If a business predicts 100 million in sales and only pulls in 31 million that is a failure. Crimes related to usage has gone up, failure. Trips to the ER for weed related issues have gone up, failure. Number of times emergency personal have responded to pot related incidents have gone up drastically despite limited use (9%) failure. Colorado has not blue shifted into the promised land of legal pot usage that I have heard for years and years. If only we had a place to do this we could show the world. that is what I have heard. and once again the delivery does not match the pitch.
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You can't seem to juggle more than one thought in your head at once. If they only made 30 million in revenue, but saved 60 million over the course of the year from all the associated costs of marijuana related law problems, what does that math say? Read some of those articles instead of regurgitating your Reefer Madness rhetoric. This is just sad.
 
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MercyPercy said:
You can't seem to juggle more than one thought in your head at once. If they only made 30 million in revenue, but saved 60 million over the course of the year from all the associated costs of marijuana related law problems, what does that math say? Read some of those articles instead of regurgitating your Reefer Madness rhetoric. This is just sad.
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When was the last time you were in school?

College, Highschool, etc?
 
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MercyPercy said:
I doubt it, especially if it's the same guy I remember talking to who had his own special drug "potency" scale. Where one line of coke is equal to ~50 beers.. :)
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That would save me a ****load of money on beer, where can I obtain this magical blow??
 
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