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Cdywolfe said:
As for the video, the girl had done nothing wrong (cop actually states that several times) and just wanted to be left alone. Crazy, huh? I don't know don't what happened prior to the recording but I can't fathom why someone who's done nothing wrong shouldn't have been free to walk away.
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Cops gotta flex their muscle and show their authority.
 
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hndog609 said:
I don't have a huge problem with the idea "somebody" has to be trained and equipped and have the authority to enforce some kind of order. What I think needs to happen is that the scope of what's being enforced be savagely curtailed.
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What I and most reasonable people have been saying all along. Meanwhile, we have banksters and fraudsters running free and they are not annoyed anywhere near as much as a $10/hr worker with a busted taillight and expired tags on his Cutlass.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ahh... OK, I see where you are trying to go with posting this. Smear tactic... accuse those of us that disagree with how zealously the police enforce laws as being anarchists. You may have a few anarchists here, but most people think that police have bigger fish to fry than just going around hiding behind trees and billboards trying to catch speeders or roaming the streets looking for busted taillights or missing plates. I don't sit up at night worried about rolling stop violators, missing plates, loose cigarette sellers, weed smokers, or loud mouth, sassy, back-talking black women. I think most people agree that none of those people deserve to be killed on the streets.
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You couldn't be further from the truth. And I find it hilarious that when I disagree with something a cop does, it goes largely ignored and I'm not accused of being an anarchist.

But nice try! A+ all the way for effort! However, fail for attempting to decipher a hidden meaning where there is none.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Ahh... OK, I see where you are trying to go with posting this. Smear tactic... accuse those of us that disagree with how zealously the police enforce laws as being anarchists. You may have a few anarchists here, but most people think that police have bigger fish to fry than just going around hiding behind trees and billboards trying to catch speeders or roaming the streets looking for busted taillights or missing plates. I don't sit up at night worried about rolling stop violators, missing plates, loose cigarette sellers, weed smokers, or loud mouth, sassy, back-talking black women. I think most people agree that none of those people deserve to be killed on the streets.
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Show me a video where anyone has been killed for any of those reasons.....people have lost their lives bc of their own decision to fight /resist the police.... When you can start finding videos where people don't break the law/refuse to cooperate with the police then more people may agree that cops are way out of control.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
What I and most reasonable people have been saying all along. Meanwhile, we have banksters and fraudsters running free and they are not annoyed anywhere near as much as a $10/hr worker with a busted taillight and expired tags on his Cutlass.
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Link?
 
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volbeast33 said:
Not the direction I was headed....I use to work at a place that I am now the manager of....I always just went and did my job and went home....I never knew in my life that there were so many issues before I became the manager. I have around four people come in my office daily....free will without some form of govt will not work and will be a bigger mess than we have now.
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I'm confused... you have 4 people come in your office daily, while You used to go home after work?

I guess I don't know what you are driving at. Explain.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Human nature also takes over in your An-Cap society. The strong can easily control the weak when they take a notion to do so.

And this point is the one you ignore or won't speak to
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I don't speak to it because it's silly. Your argument for not having a government is someone may form a government.
 
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TNsnyper20 said:
The rules in your idea would be created by those with money. Hence making them the so called rulers. The only way to opt out of those rules would be to leave the areas of said rulers. So really opting out wouldn't be an option....

Free market is fantastic for trade, business, etc. But free market to set rules/laws without any type of approval process like the ones we have now is similar to asking a coyote not to eat a chicken that's sitting beside it. It's unrealistic.

By no way is our current system perfect. But this.... This system your suggesting is opening the door for chaos. And it pains me you can't see it.
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Corporations already write legislation right now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I'm confused... you have 4 people come in your office daily, while You used to go home after work?

I guess I don't know what you are driving at. Explain.
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I use to go home when I was an employee....as manager I didn't realize the constant issues that took place
 
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volbeast33 said:
There are definitely some things I want to change right now but I don't see how it's that bad....the only interaction I have had with police in the last few yrs is a speeding ticket....I was speeding, gave him my info and was on my way.i don't feel oppressed in any way shape or form.
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Then there is no hope for you. You need to open your eyes and see how badly the Common Man is getting his eyes screwed out everyday.
 
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
I don't speak to it because it's silly. Your argument for not having a government is someone may form a government.
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Actually, that's not the argument at all...it has nothing to do with governments, but rather human nature as you already spoke to.

So I'll rephrase it into a better formed question. What is to stop a company, say the security type company, from perverting itself into a tyrannical overlord? To bend the people to their will?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Actually, that's not the argument at all...it has nothing to do with governments, but rather human nature as you already spoke to.

So I'll rephrase it into a better formed question. What is to stop a company, say the security type company, from perverting itself into a tyrannical overlord? To bend the people to their will?
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That is probably why you need checks and balances. That way, one entity cannot get more leverage than another. I thought that was the entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

So what are you driving at, GV?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is probably why you need checks and balances. That way, one entity cannot get more leverage than another. I thought that was the entire purpose of the 2nd Amendment.

So what are you driving at, GV?
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So we fight for what we want....I can buy that one
 
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volbeast33 said:
I'm ok with taxes.....the part I'm pissed about is the ones can work but living off my money and the illegal aliens doing the same.
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Then you still don't understand how you are getting robbed.

You earn money today that will be worth less tomorrow. Then, your taxes are used to pay the interest on the depreciating currency you earn. So they are robbing you twice.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Then you still don't understand how you are getting robbed.

You earn money today that will be worth less tomorrow. Then, your taxes are used to pay the interest on the depreciating currency you earn. So they are robbing you twice.
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It's not ideal but gofundme accounts is not going to pay for anything and will be riddled with fraud
 
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