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Rasputin_Vol said:
I question whether it was really any traffic violation... or at least one worthy of a traffic stop. Hell, on the video, she even says the cop started following her and she was getting out of his way before he turned on the blue lights...
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She has a mechanism to deal with that -- fight the ticket.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh, really?

Have you watched the entire dash cam video?

Or just the part popular in the news right now, after things had escalated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuPvDMN73hQ

She is hardly as cooperative as being portrayed by many. She is agitated and arguing. Now, if you want to say that you think the officer overreacted to her, and let her get his goat, so to speak, I'm fine with that. That's a legit critique.

But do not for one second pretend that she was a model of cooperation. I ESPECIALLY encourage you to consider how pleasant and polite he was to her at the beginning, and how that turned WHEN SHE started arguing with him over basically everything he was doing.
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She was cooperative until he asked if she was upset and to put her cigarette out.

Really? Not putting your cigarette out is worthy of getting drug out your car?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
She probably was upset. What is your point?

Just because he didn't liike the answer to his question doesn't give him the right to demand you stop smoking and then get dragged into the road.
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She was obviously visibly upset since he asked her on two different occasions if she was ok.

As for the cigarette, not that it should have resulted in her being asked to get out of the car but her response (to me anyway) definitely had a tone of defiance to it. No doubt the cop lost his cool.

He then asked her multiple times to get out of the car adding that he was giving her a lawful order to do so. Whether it's a lawful order or not (I don't know), at that point I would think most people would get out of the car...especially if the cop is not asking but telling you to get out of the car.

Both had blame in this incident for sure but I give more to the cop since he's the authority figure and should have kept his cool.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
The cop in this case has already shown that he is a bold faced liar. How well would her case have gone if she went to court to argue her case about a trivial traffic violation?
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I don't know if I'm misunderstanding what you wrote but she wouldn't have gone to court. He was giving her a warning.
 
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#8,859
Rasputin_Vol said:
I question whether it was really any traffic violation... or at least one worthy of a traffic stop. Hell, on the video, she even says the cop started following her and she was getting out of his way before he turned on the blue lights...
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Why did she not signal? When a cop gets behind me I am at ten and two, driving five miles below the speed limit and over compensating with the way I follow safety laws.
 
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Can we just wait to see what the autopsy says? Are some of you willfully blind to facts when presented. Is the officer guilty of anything other than being prickish?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Oh, really?

Have you watched the entire dash cam video?

Or just the part popular in the news right now, after things had escalated?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuPvDMN73hQ

She is hardly as cooperative as being portrayed by many. She is agitated and arguing. Now, if you want to say that you think the officer overreacted to her, and let her get his goat, so to speak, I'm fine with that. That's a legit critique.

But do not for one second pretend that she was a model of cooperation. I ESPECIALLY encourage you to consider how pleasant and polite he was to her at the beginning, and how that turned WHEN SHE started arguing with him over basically everything he was doing.
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When did she become argumentative and uncooperative? Before or after he started giving unlawful orders?
 
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If you show respect to the cop and follow his instructions you'll probably be on your way with a warning. If you start arguing and refuse to comply you end up getting drug out of the car.
 
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xXRockyTopXx said:
She was obviously visibly upset since he asked her on two different occasions if she was ok.

As for the cigarette, not that it should have resulted in her being asked to get out of the car but her response (to me anyway) definitely had a tone of defiance to it. No doubt the cop lost his cool.

He then asked her multiple times to get out of the car adding that he was giving her a lawful order to do so. Whether it's a lawful order or not (I don't know), at that point I would think most people would get out of the car...especially if the cop is not asking but telling you to get out of the car.

Both had blame in this incident for sure but I give more to the cop since he's the authority figure and should have kept his cool.
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Visibly looking upset. Bring out the face police.

If I'm in my car smoking a cigarette and a cop tells me to put it out during a routine traffic stop, I'm going to say no.
 
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I really don't think it's too much to ask for the people who are paid to enforce laws to keep utmost professionalism in the line of duty. If a suspect is being nasty or nice, it should have no bearing on how they treat them, they should be robots in that regard IMO.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
Be sure and post your video tough guy .
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It's not a matter of being a tough guy. It's the same principle that applies to gun rights. If you allow it, government authorities will whittle away at your rights until you have none.

Don't know if you noticed, but once they had her in the car, they conducted a warrant-less search of her vehicle. They are acting as though their badges are immunity shields from the constitution.

At what point do you stop?

At what point do you draw the line as it pertains to government officials violating your 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights?
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
I really don't think it's too much to ask for the people who are paid to enforce laws to keep utmost professionalism in the line of duty. If a suspect is being nasty or nice, it should have no bearing on how they treat them, they should be robots in that regard IMO.
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Maybe you should invent the technology for us to have android cops. In the mean time we have humans serving in those roles.
 
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Dr Dread said:
It's not a matter of being a tough guy. It's the same principle that applies to gun rights. If you allow it, government authorities will whittle away at your rights until you have none.

Don't know if you noticed, but once they had her in the car, they conducted a warrant-less search of her vehicle. They are acting as though their badges are immunity shields from the constitution.

At what point do you stop?

At what point do you draw the line as it pertains to government officials violating your 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights?
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I don't think they need a warrant if they have probable cause....
 
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Dr Dread said:
It's not a matter of being a tough guy. It's the same principle that applies to gun rights. If you allow it, government authorities will whittle away at your rights until you have none.

Don't know if you noticed, but once they had her in the car, they conducted a warrant-less search of her vehicle. They are acting as though their badges are immunity shields from the constitution.

At what point do you stop?

At what point do you draw the line as it pertains to government officials violating your 1st, 2nd, and 4th amendment rights?
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I don't agitate the police if I'm asked to do something, within reason of course.
 
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Dr Dread said:
There was no probable cause to search her vehicle.
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How do you know?

My understanding is that if they see something suspicious, that in itself is probable cause.

I haven't watched the video, but from the comments on here, the cop screwed up.

Has he been fired?
 
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