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No Experience, No Problem: In Arkansas and Indiana, you can become a police officer without any formal training

“You get these rural departments, and they’re scrambling for manpower, so they do the best they can,” he said. “Police officers aren’t easy to come by. … You sort of get what you can get” and train them whenever you get the chance.

Sometimes the delay in training is the result of all the slots in the police academy being booked. “Our next class starts in July,” said Younce in Indiana. “It’s capped out at 150, and we have people on a waiting list, so some agencies have to wait a little bit before they can get their people in here. And that ends up being something [the officers] have to work through.”

A comprehensive picture of law enforcement hiring practices in all 50 states is hard to come by, so it’s unclear how widespread policies like those in Arkansas and Indiana are. If you know of another state where people can work as police officers before they’ve received training and state certification, email me and I’ll update this post.

As we’ve been reminded too often of late, even when police do receive training in the proper use of deadly force, they don’t always apply that training in the field. In light of that, it’s sobering to think that there are states where police officers can spend up to a year on the job without first receiving instruction in the life-and-death work of law enforcement.
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BartW said:
No Experience, No Problem: In Arkansas and Indiana, you can become a police officer without any formal training
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I'm shocked at this quite honestly. I've heard that people can be hired and work a desk before academy but never have I heard this. The article also mentions police reserves and since the Tulsa shooting it has really put this in a bad light. You eliminate reserve and part-time officers and you will crush many small-town departments across the country because of the harsh economic times. For example LAPD & Los Angles County Sheriff's have probably two of the best reserve programs in the country right now.
 
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Burhead said:
I'm shocked at this quite honestly. I've heard that people can be hired and work a desk before academy but never have I heard this. The article also mentions police reserves and since the Tulsa shooting it has really put this in a bad light. You eliminate reserve and part-time officers and you will crush many small-town departments across the country because of the harsh economic times. For example LAPD & Los Angles County Sheriff's have probably two of the best reserve programs in the country right now.
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I can see how it would be hard on small departments when they lose one of their few employees, but imo they would be better off just remaining understaffed temporarily. It’s crazy to think that they can put untrained officers on the streets like that.

Maybe LA could relocate their reserves out in the sticks?
 
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davethevol said:
Some of those party goers look like gang bangers. This definitely appears to be a non-story.
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I won't make a judgment either way (unlike some that want to find the articles that omit one side of the story completely)

I'm just offering a contrasting article about the other side rather than grandma getting tased 4 times.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I won't make a judgment either way (unlike some that want to find the articles that omit one side of the story completely)

I'm just offering a contrasting article about the other side rather than grandma getting tased 4 times.
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Well, I'd imagine that if there were racial slurs thrown around that they probably would have that part on tape. From all the videos available showing police behaving badly, this one seems to pale in comparison.
 
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Well, positives from the Baytown issue:

- They followed legitimate procedures. They warned him. Came back after other complaints and issued a citation which he refused to sign. That warranted an arrest.

- They didn't open fire and kill people for assaulting them. They found other methods of quelling unrest and gaining control of the situation that didn't result in people dying.

This is why cops need to wear body cams. If a person injects themselves in the middle of a legitimate arrest and gets tasered... that's not a problem in my book.

And I'm a vocal supporter of citizens rights. This is a non-issue.
 
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davethevol said:
Well, I'd imagine that if there were racial slurs thrown around that they probably would have that part on tape. From all the videos available showing police behaving badly, this one seems to pale in comparison.
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Well, you know how easily "get back" can be made to sound like "********".

And just like Zimmerman... hispanics can easily be called white if the media demands it.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I love the rest of the story:

Police In Baytown, TX Raid Party, Pepper Spray Children, Taser Grandmother 4 Times | Truth And Action

ETA: You really are a sad individual Bart.
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Submit or else, eh? Can't hand out a citation without fisticuffs? Unfortunately, law enforcement has lost some of the benefit of the doubt in he-said-she-said situations. I wonder what the justice system will make of it. It would take something special to justify that brawl imo. I highly doubt the officers were in danger like they’re implying. Nobody’s going to beat or kill a cop during family time with children.

Body cams would’ve been nice.

To be fair (and slightly racist – but not as racist as dave), I can see how it would be difficult to break up a Mexican family house party
 
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BartW said:
Unfortunately, law enforcement has lost some of the benefit of the doubt in he-said-she-said situations. I wonder what the justice system will make of it.
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For example, this recent pair:

Ohio Man Found Not Guilty After Lying Cops Accused Him of Assault
Ohio jurors have deliberated and the verdict is in for Tyler Paxson. The 19 year old Spencerville, OH man facing one count of assault of an officer was found not guilty. As Judge Cheney read the verdict in Allen County Common Pleas Court. Sighs of relief were heard from Paxson’s family in the court room.

Jurors deliberated for about 3 and a half hours before they reached a not guilty verdict. During closing arguments earlier today jurors heard conflicting testimony between officer accounts and eye witness accounts. Officers say Paxson was combative when they tried to subdue and arrest him. However, Paxson’s friend, two neighbors and Paxson himself describe the officers beating the 19 year old without him resisting. Paxson was facing the possibility of 18 months behind bars.

During the arrest, officers in question claim that Paxson struck multiple officers, including punching one twice in the face. This claim is substantiated in the grand jury indictment. Nevertheless, it was Paxson with open wounds on his back from flashlights and batons, and a gaping welt on his eye that one officer claimed was from being dragged on the ground. To make matters worse, Paxson told The Anti-Media in December that the officers were going door to door threatening witnesses with arrest if they spoke against the Lima officers.
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Cop Punches and Kicks Elderly Woman, Then Arrests Her For Coming To Aid of Assaulted Woman
when the attack happened, two years ago, Maria “Tonie” Farrell was actually charged with assaulting a police officer. You read that right: the police attacked her, and then they charged her with assaulting them!

Watson tried to blame the victim in court, saying that he suspected Farrell had been drinking. He called her disruptive and said that she “took a poke” at him, and resisted arrest.

The judge called bull****.

“Sgt. Watson provided no explanation as to how Ms. Farrell’s tibia was broken, or indeed, the reasons for the bruises on her legs and arms and the loss of a tooth,” Beatty responded. “His notes did not record the hammer strike to her left eye, which was basically a sucker punch … he suffered no injury and her injuries were catastrophic.
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BartW said:
Submit or else, eh? Can't hand out a citation without fisticuffs? Unfortunately, law enforcement has lost some of the benefit of the doubt in he-said-she-said situations. I wonder what the justice system will make of it. It would take something special to justify that brawl imo. I highly doubt the officers were in danger like they’re implying. Nobody’s going to beat or kill a cop during family time with children.

Body cams would’ve been nice.

To be fair (and slightly racist – but not as racist as dave), I can see how it would be difficult to break up a Mexican family house party
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I think I'll add pathetic to your list of charms.

How about just say "there are two drastically different stories here and perhaps I shouldn't pass judgment."
 
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Grand Vol said:
I think I'll add pathetic to your list of charms.

How about just say "there are two drastically different stories here and perhaps I shouldn't pass judgment."
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My feelings, you hurt them!

It's rather ironic that you call me "sad" and "pathetic" and then tell me I shouldn't pass judgment.

You and I and everyone else here pass judgment all the time. Sometimes it may turn out to have been premature, other times judgment may be long overdue. Which do you think is the case here?

More than Half-dozen New Orleans Officers Charged with Child Porn, Rape All Still Working as Cops

[youtube]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KbfVdNjMCQk[/youtube]
 
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BartW said:
To be fair (and slightly racist – but not as racist as dave), I can see how it would be difficult to break up a Mexican family house party
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I forgot that pointing out possible gang affiliation was racist. Thanks for reminding me.
 
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BartW said:
My feelings, you hurt them!

It's rather ironic that you call me "sad" and "pathetic" and then tell me I shouldn't pass judgment.

You and I and everyone else here pass judgment all the time. Sometimes it may turn out to have been premature, other times judgment may be long overdue. Which do you think is the case here?

More than Half-dozen New Orleans Officers Charged with Child Porn, Rape All Still Working as Cops
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Yeah, you're that shallow...

Here's what the article says:

Once the officer is able to return to work, they are reassigned to administrative duties pending the outcome of an investigation. Based on civil service rules, officers are disciplined after an investigation is completed and a formal disciplinary hearing has been held.
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So are you saying they should be fired prior to the investigation ending? Pass judgment prior to a trial? They were removed from position of working the streets. And will be disciplined if/when convicted. And of course your website loves to play the semantics. "Still serving as cops." Does the term "fleet manager" sound very cop-like to you?

But you blame the PD for civil service laws that are very likely out of the police control. You don't work in the government sector, but you would be utterly shocked at how hard it is to fire any employee on a government wage. And that's Local, State or Federal.

Based on civil service rules, officers are disciplined after an investigation is completed and a formal disciplinary hearing has been held.
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And of course, you had to pick one of the most corrupt PDs in the entire country to highlight. NOLA isn't exactly a shining example of straight and narrow. Even the article alludes to that fact.

Now if/when they are found guilty, they should serve the maximum sentence and not a second less.
 
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