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I didn't read the article just the headline but I tend to agree with Huff. If the kid wasn't hurt, abducted, abused ext, what crime did she commit that warranted an arrest?

Now if any harm had come to the kid while she left it alone, then yes she was neglectful or negligent.
 
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DC_Vol said:
It doesn't surprise me that it sounds absurd to you.

It is obviously not absurd to me. If you cannot see the difference between sending your child to play in traffic versus a Lego store then I'm not sure where to begin.

I could just as easily compare it to letting your child ride his bike to school (which I did as young as 6). Or a game of tackle football in the yard as Huff pointed out. There are risks associated there, too, that could easily be mitigated with a vehicle or an XBox.
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I'm sure you were trying to insult me, but it's not working...

And do you honestly think I don't know the difference? Seriously? Take off your hate glasses for a moment and actually think about what analogies you are using.

Kids playing football in the front yard, back yard, somewhat close to the house. Kid gets hurt, chances of a parent being there to take care of child? Pretty high.

Knowingly leaving your child alone in a shopping mall filled with complete strangers that you know nothing about and not being able to stop anyone from picking that child up because you wanted some me time to go shopping?

And you cannot see the absurdity in this action?

Don't try the condescension route. It really annoys me.
 
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Obsessed said:
That was in a town of 6000 folks. At a ball field. Kids every where.
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It's a sad, random event. But by the standard some are setting here, the police should be able to arrest you for taking your child to a little league park and letting them wander off to play on their own.
 
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hog88 said:
I didn't read the article just the headline but I tend to agree with Huff. If the kid wasn't hurt, abducted, abused ext, what crime did she commit that warranted an arrest?

Now if any harm had come to the kid while she left it alone, then yes she was neglectful or negligent.
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Nobody cares what you think. :)
 
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hog88 said:
I didn't read the article just the headline but I tend to agree with Huff. If the kid wasn't hurt, abducted, abused ext, what crime did she commit that warranted an arrest?

Now if any harm had come to the kid while she left it alone, then yes she was neglectful or negligent.
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Preventative actions Hog. Who wants to take that kind of chance with a kid?
 
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DC_Vol said:
It's a sad, random event. But by the standard some are setting here, the police should be able to arrest you for taking your child to a little league park and letting them wander off to play on their own.
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Random?


According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (citing U.S. Department of Justice reports), nearly 800,000 children are reported missing each year. That's more than 2,000 a day. The NCMEC says 203,000 children are kidnapped each year by family members.
 
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Grand Vol said:
I'm sure you were trying to insult me, but it's not working...

And do you honestly think I don't know the difference? Seriously? Take off your hate glasses for a moment and actually think about what analogies you are using.

Kids playing football in the front yard, back yard, somewhat close to the house. Kid gets hurt, chances of a parent being there to take care of child? Pretty high.

Knowingly leaving your child alone in a shopping mall filled with complete strangers that you know nothing about and not being able to stop anyone from picking that child up because you wanted some me time to go shopping?

And you cannot see the absurdity in this action?

Don't try the condescension route. It really annoys me.
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Hah - hate glasses. Solid. I was being serious. It does not surprise me that it sounds absurd to you. I would have bet on it. I've given counter points in every one of my posts on the subject. If you felt it was condescending, my sincere apologies.

I agree with Huff on this one. Dumb decision, but it shouldn't make her a criminal.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Preventative actions Hog. Who wants to take that kind of chance with a kid?
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I understand that and do not agree with what she did, like CNC said NYC scares me. That doesn't negate the question, what law was broken.

There may be one.
 
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Obsessed said:
Random?

According to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (citing U.S. Department of Justice reports), nearly 800,000 children are reported missing each year. That's more than 2,000 a day. The NCMEC says 203,000 children are kidnapped each year by family members.
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A missing child is not an abduction. Some times they were home all along, and the neighbor's dog gets shot by cops (and we've come full circle).
 
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n_huffhines said:
So let's see the data that shows stranger danger kidnappings are more likely in NYC than in small-town America.

Even if it's higher, I'm willing to bet it's not a significant difference.
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I agree with this. I would say per capita it's likely less. More sets of eyes on things at all times.
 
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DC_Vol said:
Hah - hate glasses. Solid. I was being serious. It does not surprise me that it sounds absurd to you. I would have bet on it. I've given counter points in every one of my posts on the subject. If you felt it was condescending, my sincere apologies.
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Probably could have done without that.

I'm not speaking from a cop standpoint here, but rather as a parent. Some things with children are not worth the risk. And leaving your kid alone in a mall surrounded by complete strangers is not a risk worth taking. And that's as objective as I can be.

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I agree with Huff on this one. Dumb decision, but it shouldn't make her a criminal.
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And that will be up to the courts to decide. If society, which a jury will be made of her peers, feels she was unjustly arrested and find her actions completely responsible, obviously she will be found not guilty and go on with her life.

But the police cannot just let her go with a stern warning. That's not for them to decide.
 
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Grand Vol said:
Probably could have done without that.

I'm not speaking from a cop standpoint here, but rather as a parent. Some things with children are not worth the risk. And leaving your kid alone in a mall surrounded by complete strangers is not a risk worth taking. And that's as objective as I can be.



And that will be up to the courts to decide. If society, which a jury will be made of her peers, feels she was unjustly arrested and find her actions completely responsible, obviously she will be found not guilty and go on with her life.

But the police cannot just let her go with a stern warning. That's not for them to decide.
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Well we could have done without your hate glasses comment as well, but I enjoy a verbal sparring all the same.

And the bolded part is where I'm not sure we can agree. I want to know what law she broke.

If it was something as subjective as neglect, I would argue that she could have easily been let off with some kind words of advice.
 
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FLVOL69 said:
I'm on mobile, you do know how to use Google?
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Yeah, but you wouldn't post the stats if you found them.

Juvenile homicide: Down 36% 1993 – 2005 (kids under age 14)
Juvenile homicide: Down 60% 1993 – 2005 (age 14 – 17)
Forcible rape: Down 28% 1992 – 2006
Sex Abuse Substantiations of Children, 1990 – 2005: Down 51%
Physical Abuse Substantiations of Children, 1990 – 2005: Down 46%
Juvenile Sex victimization trends, 1993 – 2003: Down 79%
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Crime Statistics : Free Range Kids
 
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