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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Makes it pretty clear, it's us vs them.
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The worst part is some cop wrote a heart-rending piece saying "If you just mindlessly obeyed us and do what we told you and let the courts settle it, you wouldn't get shot."

They don't get the reasons why saying that is wrong.

And removing and limiting legal gun ownership is a sure-fire way to remove illegally obtained weapons from criminals hands.
 
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agent|orange said:
The worst part is some cop wrote a heart-rending piece saying "If you just mindlessly obeyed us and do what we told you and let the courts settle it, you wouldn't get shot."

They don't get the reasons why saying that is wrong.

And removing and limiting legal gun ownership is a sure-fire way to remove illegally obtained weapons from criminals hands.
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? Should this have been in blue font?
 
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Grand Vol said:
Really?
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I think largely that most cops are good people that want to serve their community by enforcing laws. I think most cops see their community members as fellow citizens.

However, I don't think it's insane to say there are bad apples on that tree. Even if 9 out of 10 cops are good that would still leave 76,500 that are bad cops.

And to them, I think it is "us against them". These are the ones with itchy trigger fingers and a "you will obey me and don't try to film me to keep me in check even though you have a DoJ and Supreme Court ruling that protects your right to film me" mindset.
 
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agent|orange said:
I think largely that most cops are good people that want to serve their community by enforcing laws. I think most cops see their community members as fellow citizens.

However, I don't think it's insane to say there are bad apples on that tree. Even if 9 out of 10 cops are good that would still leave 76,500 that are bad cops.

And to them, I think it is "us against them". These are the ones with itchy trigger fingers and a "you will obey me and don't try to film me to keep me in check even though you have a DoJ and Supreme Court ruling that protects your right to film me" mindset.
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Likely the most objective post I've seen on the matter. Thank you for not being the normal ass and pointing out each and every time a LEO is wrong on something and then lumping everyone with a badge together under the same roof. Such actions don't help the overall situation and only reinforce the perception of "us versus them" from both sides of the equation.

If only others could understand that...
 
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Grand Vol said:
Likely the most objective post I've seen on the matter. Thank you for not being the normal ass and pointing out each and every time a LEO is wrong on something and then lumping everyone with a badge together under the same roof. Such actions don't help the overall situation and only reinforce the perception of "us versus them" from both sides of the equation.

If only others could understand that...
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It is a combination of many things. It isn't just about the ratio of good cops to bad cops. It is also about the framework from which these officers operate. They are the enforcers of "law", and as we know there are a huge number of "laws" that are absolutely ridiculous, yet are enforced just the same by bad and good cops alike. A good cop can still seem like a real dick head if he chooses to vigorously enforce an asinine law. And if a tax paying citizen feels like he or she is being harassed over something trivial,there is a good chance the citizen will start showing their backside in defiance. This creates friction, and no cops, bad or good, respond well to being defied. Both cop and citizen will walk away from the encounter saying "ugh can you believe those idiots! The nerve!" and so on. The point I'm trying to make is that there are many factors that lead to an "us vs them" attitude, and even if we somehow get rid of all of the bad cops, there will still be instances of friction between good citizens and good cops due to the framework from which they are operating.
 
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I think the institution in itself is the real problem. Yeah, there's bad apple cops. Wannabe action heroes with itchy trigger fingers, huge egos, authority complexes, and a serious lack of empathy. But if we're being truthful, they are allowed to be that way generally without any fear of consequence because of the system itself. The bosses won't hold them accountable except in very rare circumstances, generally when the department needs a scapegoat. And that's because the institution has evolved into a political puppet.

Departments establish tactics and methodology to generate the best looking(not necessarily the most representative or effective) statistics for political reasons and to get more funding, rather than truly attempting to address problems and find permanent solutions. Their first priorities aren't even in the general well being of the public, but rather how they can compile crime data and skew statistics enough to get a fancy new APC from the government that they'll never need.
 
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SamRebel35 said:
It is a combination of many things. It isn't just about the ratio of good cops to bad cops. It is also about the framework from which these officers operate. They are the enforcers of "law", and as we know there are a huge number of "laws" that are absolutely ridiculous, yet are enforced just the same by bad and good cops alike. A good cop can still seem like a real dick head if he chooses to vigorously enforce an asinine law. And if a tax paying citizen feels like he or she is being harassed over something trivial,there is a good chance the citizen will start showing their backside in defiance. This creates friction, and no cops, bad or good, respond well to being defied. Both cop and citizen will walk away from the encounter saying "ugh can you believe those idiots! The nerve!" and so on. The point I'm trying to make is that there are many factors that lead to an "us vs them" attitude, and even if we somehow get rid of all of the bad cops, there will still be instances of friction between good citizens and good cops due to the framework from which they are operating.
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Lordy, would people stop being so objective. I'm feeling uncomfortable here!

But you brought up a good point that both sides can cause friction. I've pulled someone over for 22 over in a 25 MPH zone next to a child care center. And the reaction I got was not one of "yeah, I did it and you caught me." First comment was "why the eff are you pulling me over and is this going to take long?"

It is now...

But on the same token there are d-bag cops that can and will instigate problems on what should be a routine traffic stop. So it happens from both sides.
 
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Well, we have the patriot act, the NDAA, NSA spying, the irs email stuff, now it's clear that the cops will not be held to the same standard as your every day citizen. I'd say we're in deep trouble.
 
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I missed this story...

Petition seeks to change cause of death for Victor White III - The Daily Iberian: News


According to a Sheriff’s Office incident report, the caller described the two fighters — one of whom was said to have had a gun — as two black men who fled down Alvin Street. The report did not say a gun was ever found on White III.

Once the unit transporting White III arrived at the Sheriff’s Office, White III apparently resisted being removed from the car, according to a Louisiana State Police statement. While the deputy was signaling for assistance, a single gunshot rang out, killing White III.

The State Police statement claimed White III, who was handcuffed behind his back, had produced the gun and shot himself in the back. The autopsy report, though clarifying the wound entered his chest area and exited near his left back, went a step further and called the death a suicide, meaning it was deliberate.
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NYPD Shooting: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar: This Is Tragedy, Not Politics

Kareem Abdul-Jabbar on Police Unions and the "Anti-Cop" Smear. Works for School Reform and Teachers Unions, Too - Hit & Run : Reason.com

Didn't know Kareem Abdul Jabbar was now a political writer.

What prompted a mentally unstable man to shoot two officers? Protestors? The mayor? Or the unjust killings of unarmed black men? Probably none of them. He was a ticking bomb that anything might have set off. What’s most likely to prevent future incidents like this? Stopping the protests which had sparked real and positive changes through a national dialogue? Changes that can only increase faith in and respect for the police? No, because the killer was mentally unfit. Most likely protecting the police from future incidents will come from better mental health care to identify, treat, and monitor violent persons. Where are those impassioned tweets demanding that?

In a Dec. 21, 2014 article about the shooting, the Los Angeles Times referred to the New York City protests as “anti-police marches,” which is grossly inaccurate and illustrates the problem of perception the protestors are battling. The marches are meant to raise awareness of double standards, lack of adequate police candidate screening, and insufficient training that have resulted in unnecessary killings. Police are not under attack, institutionalized racism is. Trying to remove sexually abusive priests is not an attack on Catholicism, nor is removing ineffective teachers an attack on education. Bad apples, bad training, and bad officials who blindly protect them, are the enemy. And any institution worth saving should want to eliminate them, too.
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