To Protect and to Serve II

#676
#676
Grand Vol said:
Yeah, there surely are bigger fish to fry in the economic game. And there likely were other avenues of retrieving those funds, payroll deductions for example, that might have been used instead of sending the Marshals in.
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I don't agree with payroll deductions. Why should the govt get access to my money before I do? Why should they be allowed to use my money before I do? Let them stand in line for all of my taxes just like everybody else.
 
#677
#677
Rasputin_Vol said:
I don't agree with payroll deductions. Why should the govt get access to my money before I do? Why should they be allowed to use my money before I do? Let them stand in line for all of my taxes just like everybody else.
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Payroll deductions aren't just for the government you know?
 
#679
#679
Rasputin_Vol said:
1. If it is gonna cost you $1200 to get $1500, is that a good return on investment? Don't they have bigger fish to fry than harass a guy over a 30 year old $1500 loan?
2. If he can't/wouldn't pay $1500 over 30 years, what are they gonna do to get this $1200?
3. If they put him in jail for not appearing in court or non-payment or whatever, how much would it cost the taxpayers to jail/house/feed a guy that owes $1500?
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1) I don't want to weigh in on any of this but your first question. Spending $1200 and getting back $1500 represents a 25% profit. That's a pretty good ROI.
 
#680
#680
Rasputin_Vol said:
Outside of voluntary deductions I make to a 401K or to pay insurance or something of that nature, what other kinds of payroll deductions are there that are mandatory?
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Again, a debt owed to an outside entity. You refuse to pay said debt, the entity has the right to recoup their funds by those means so long as they prove their case.

Just my opinion on the matter.
 
#681
#681
1972 Grad said:
1) I don't want to weigh in on any of this but your first question. Spending $1200 and getting back $1500 represents a 25% profit. That's a pretty good ROI.
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And of course, putting people's lives at risk, also. The guy allegedly said he had a gun. So $1200 and a potential for loss of life.
 
#682
#682
Grand Vol said:
Again, a debt owed to an outside entity. You refuse to pay said debt, the entity has the right to recoup their funds by those means so long as they prove their case.

Just my opinion on the matter.
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In the case of both the home loan you made mention of and the student loan, neither of those are true debt because the money loaned out was money that was created out of thin air. No work, labor or time was involved in the creation of that loan. Yet, you are expected to sacrifice your excess labor and time to repay such a loan or else have the lender receive a real asset or garnish your payroll check.
 
#683
#683
Rasputin_Vol said:
In the case of both the home loan you made mention of and the student loan, neither of those are true debt because the money loaned out was money that was created out of thin air. No work, labor or time was involved in the creation of that loan. Yet, you are expected to sacrifice your excess labor and time to repay such a loan or else have the lender receive a real asset or garnish your payroll check.
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You signed a contract to pay back such money.... You most definitely should pay it back or face penalty for your actions.... Maybe the homeowner or student should have saved their own money to begin with.
 
#684
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volbeast33 said:
You signed a contract to pay back such money.... You most definitely should pay it back or face penalty for your actions.... Maybe the homeowner or student should have saved their own money to begin with.
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In the example Grand_Vol and I used earlier, the lender losses what if Grand_Vol chooses to default on his home loan? I made an original deposit of $100k and the bank lend out a total of $900k to 9 other people. If 8 of those people repay the bank but Grand_Vol defaults, what did the bank lose?
 
#685
#685
Rasputin_Vol said:
In the example Grand_Vol and I used earlier, the lender losses what if Grand_Vol chooses to default on his home loan? I made an original deposit of $100k and the bank lend out a total of $900k to 9 other people. If 8 of those people repay the bank but Grand_Vol defaults, what did the bank lose?
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what does any of that matter.... You agreed to take 100,000 dollars, received 100,000 dollars, and agreed to pay it back..... Pay your student loan Ras
 
#686
#686
volbeast33 said:
what does any of that matter.... You agreed to take 100,000 dollars, received 100,000 dollars, and agreed to pay it back..... Pay your student loan Ras
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OK, I buy a call option from you today to buy a barrel of oil for $50 in 2 years. 2 years from now, the price of oil only jumps to $45/barrel, but below the strike price. But turns out after doing some investigating, you never had any oil to begin with. You created the futures option out of thin air. As a matter of fact, you haven't settled an option with delivery of oil in over 5 years.

So I find all of this out and realize that I put up my hard earned money to buy an option that you couldn't back and had no intention of delivering on. I lost my option fees and you had no skin in the game when you created the option.

Was a crime committed here?
 
#687
#687
Rasputin_Vol said:
OK, I buy a call option from you today to buy a barrel of oil for $50 in 2 years. 2 years from now, the price of oil only jumps to $45/barrel, but below the strike price. But turns out after doing some investigating, you never had any oil to begin with. You created the futures option out of thin air. As a matter of fact, you haven't settled an option with delivery of oil in over 5 years.

So I find all of this out and realize that I put up my hard earned money to buy an option that you couldn't back and had no intention of delivering on. I lost my option fees and you had no skin in the game when you created the option.

Was a crime committed here?
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You got a house and schooling..... Pay for it
 
#690
#690
volbeast33 said:
Yes but I don't feel like discussing it further
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So basically, collecting fees on an option that you never intended on making delivery on would be naked shorting. But for a bank to collect fees (interest) on the naked shorting that they do (banks can loan out 9 times of what they actually have on deposit), then this is just called fractional reserve banking.
 
#691
#691
Rasputin_Vol said:
So basically, collecting fees on an option that you never intended on making delivery on would be naked shorting. But for a bank to collect fees (interest) on the naked shorting that they do (banks can loan out 9 times of what they actually have on deposit), then this is just called fractional reserve banking.
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If you don't like the way banks do business then you can argue against that and may have a point. We are discussing a different issue....the person signed a contract to pay back funds they borrowed for services they received. If you don't like how banks work then figure out a different way to go to school or purchase a home,
 
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#693
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Lmao! Basically what he's saying is, my gang is better and bigger than your gang.

Then he places the cherry firmly on top by saying they'd rather die on their feet, than live on their knees. He says this as a person responsible for enforcing the completely arbitrary laws of his political masters.

You just can't make this **** up.
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Go back and watch the first 15 seconds or so... There's not a single thing on that list I wouldn't bet a years salary that police department is just as guilty of. I also love how that dingleberry changed consumes partway through the video. What a clown.

How ****** embarrassing.
 
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#694
Cdywolfe said:
Go back and watch the first 15 seconds or so... There's not a single thing on that list I wouldn't bet a years salary that police department is just as guilty of. I also love how that dingleberry changed consumes partway through the video. What a clown.

How ****** embarrassing.
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Indeed.
 
#695
#695
Cdywolfe said:
Go back and watch the first 15 seconds or so... There's not a single thing on that list I wouldn't bet a years salary that police department is just as guilty of. I also love how that dingleberry changed consumes partway through the video. What a clown.

How ****** embarrassing.
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I'd take that bet.

What's funny is that he's imploring his community to get involved and stand up to this gang, with the obvious blessing and inclusion of members of the community and all you can focus on is big bad police man.
 
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orangeblood79 said:
I'd take that bet.

What's funny is that he's imploring his community to get involved and stand up to this gang, with the obvious blessing and inclusion of members of the community and all you can focus on is big bad police man.
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I can't imagine anyone with a triple digit IQ thought that immature garbage was a good idea.
 
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#697
#697
What did that idiot think that was going to accomplish?

Do you think the gang members were going to be like "Oh crap the cops are for real now where do we turn ourselves in?"
 
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#698
#698
Over-the-top? Perhaps. Machismo? Yeah.

Intimidating?

Meh...maybe, maybe not. I'd say they had a good laugh but, the members of the community standing behind him brought home a message the cops simply cannot.



Still awesome though...but I guess that's my double digit IQ talking.
 
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#699
#699
We had a school shooting just north of Cincinnati yesterday, 4 injured no deaths thankfully. I want to say that the police were the reason it didn't involve more shootings or deaths. On site cop was there in seconds and made the pos boy run out of the cafeteria.

Also, the shooting barely made the national news. What an indictment on the "national media" as well. I will never watch 1 second of any national "news" programming again.

What, no deaths to sensationalize? Not enough blood to make it a non stop on scene coverage as they have done with every school shooting to this point? Because it was in the midwest not a big enough story? What an absolute joke and disgrace.

I don't want to see another shooting covered as if it was the most important story ever and don't want to hear the war cry BS narratives for gun control either from any politicians or news outlet again. This has been the least publicized school shooting ever due to the "important" election coverage. Pick and choose those headlines you farking lame arse reporters.......

But, a big thank you and bigger high five to the Hamilton Sheriffs office and all it's officers and it's work with the school district and community to have a plan in place and react as well as they did.
 
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#700
#700
Now this is certainly a case where a cop should get fired and charged:

Blood-stained knife found buried on OJ Simpson’s estate | New York Post

The construction worker who found the knife told police he stumbled upon it while Simpson’s home in Brentwood was being demolished, but he couldn’t remember the exact date, sources told TMZ.

After finding the blade, he took it to an LAPD officer standing across the street, according to TMZ.

But the cop was off-duty — and instead of turning the knife over to his higher-ups, sources said he kept it for years.
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