To Protect and to Serve II

#802
#802
orangeblood79 said:
Please, cite examples and expound on how tyrannical and oppressive this government has become and how you and I are affected by this, as individuals.
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1. Take a look at your pay check. On second thought, take a look at one of your non cop buddies check. Yours is made up entirely of tax dollars (no offense meant)
2. Nsa spying
3.The patriot act.
4. The ndaa
5. Any "law" that prevents personal decisions that effects no one else but the decider.
6. Any "crime" that has no victims.
7. Gun control

How could I forget civil asset forfeiture???
 
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#804
#804
Grand Vol said:
I know.

And you won't argue the point that the medical field kills people at a 100-1 ratio to police. Yet how many of those are ever held accountable in a court of law?
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I realized a long time ago what a waste of time arguing anything with you is. I think I'll pass.
 
#805
#805
Grand Vol said:
I know.

And you won't argue the point that the medical field kills people at a 100-1 ratio to police. Yet how many of those are ever held accountable in a court of law?
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It's still a silly comparison, simply because of the voluntary contractual nature of the Doctor/patient relationship. If anything, it's a civil matter, not criminal.
 
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#806
Cdywolfe said:
I realized a long time ago what a waste of time arguing anything with you is. I think I'll pass.
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Well good. At least you see the argument you were trying to make is not really an argument at all. Your profession is far more culpable in murder than mine ever was.

And getting away with it too. Or actually paying off the victim's families to the tune of $4 billion a year.
 
#809
#809
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
It's still a silly comparison, simply because of the voluntary contractual nature of the Doctor/patient relationship. If anything, it's a civil matter, not criminal.
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Civil or criminal is at the heart of the matter. Why aren't doctors put on trial when they convince a patient they need unnecessary surgery and later lose their life?

Is that a civil matter? Or criminal?
 
#811
#811
Grand Vol said:
Civil or criminal is at the heart of the matter. Why aren't doctors put on trial when they convince a patient they need unnecessary surgery and later lose their life?

Is that a civil matter? Or criminal?
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If they willingly signed the contract, it's civil I'd say. Unless malice can be proven.
 
#814
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DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
If they willingly signed the contract, it's civil I'd say. Unless malice can be proven.
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Think about it this way...

If a doctor tells you that you need a certain type of surgery "it could benefit you down the road" would you argue with them? Or more specifically, would the general population argue with them?

Doctors' words are generally taken to heart because they have the training to make those kinds of judgments. Just like I would take your word inside your job that "I wouldn't do that if I were you" people will accept the words of doctors. But if the doctor knows it's an elective surgery and the patient later dies, shouldn't they be held accountable at a criminal level?
 
#817
#817
Grand Vol said:
Think about it this way...

If a doctor tells you that you need a certain type of surgery "it could benefit you down the road" would you argue with them? Or more specifically, would the general population argue with them?

Doctors' words are generally taken to heart because they have the training to make those kinds of judgments. Just like I would take your word inside your job that "I wouldn't do that if I were you" people will accept the words of doctors. But if the doctor knows it's an elective surgery and the patient later dies, shouldn't they be held accountable at a criminal level?
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Not unless you can prove they acted with malice. Because of the waiver forms signed by the patient as part of the contract.
 
#821
#821
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Ah, they're more of a bargain brand now though, right? Artceryx pretty much dominates the market now, no? Very pricey stuff.
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$50 a pop isn't exactly a "bargain" by any means. But they still hold up rather well in the long run.

Depending on what one is looking for, Arc'teryx makes good stuff. Mainly as outer wear though. First Spear, Patagonia, Massif and Tru-Spec are others that tend to come with good quality for the "tactical" line.
 
#823
#823
Grand Vol said:
So getting a ruling from the same profession (lawyers) that protects hospitals?

Isn't that like asking a copperhead if a rattlesnake is permitted to poison you? :)
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Can't fault that.
Although, it's Kinda like getting a ruling on a criminal charge from a cop, by a court who's judge, prosecutor, and DA office as well as the cop who all work for the same employer huh? Lol
 
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#824
#824
Grand Vol said:
$50 a pop isn't exactly a "bargain" by any means. But they still hold up rather well in the long run.

Depending on what one is looking for, Arc'teryx makes good stuff. Mainly as outer wear though. First Spear, Patagonia, Massif and Tru-Spec are others that tend to come with good quality for the "tactical" line.
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Hmm, I've seen those brands around. I get a lot of stuff from skd tactical. I love their pig series of plate carriers and other items. Decent prices too.
 
#825
#825
DEFENDTHISHOUSE said:
Hmm, I've seen those brands around. I get a lot of stuff from skd tactical. I love their pig series of plate carriers and other items. Decent prices too.
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If you're looking for "bargain" with decent quality, I'd check out LA Police Gear (just hold your nose at the word "police")

LA Police Gear

Generally pretty good quality for what you pay for.

When it comes to nylon though, my first stop is Tactical Tailor. Sometimes Maxpedition (though I hate their goofy color patterns) but overwhelmingly if TT doesn't make it, chances are it's not needed.
 
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