Time to shut down the US Department of Education??

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it would be nice, of course we would see a decrease in ignorant sheep like iporange and his fellow libs.
 
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How would you resolve the education issue, then. Privatize it and make the parents pay out the wazoo?
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joevol320 said:
it would be nice, of course we would see a decrease in ignorant sheep like iporange and his fellow libs.
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I don't qualify as a "lib," but I'm glad I am not associated with any political paradigm you claim.
 
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VOLatile said:
How would you resolve the education issue, then. Privatize it and make the parents pay out the wazoo?
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The US has continued to fall behind the rest of the world since the inception of the Department of Education. My guess this is due in large part to the teachers unions taking over the department.
 
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VOLatile said:
How would you resolve the education issue, then. Privatize it and make the parents pay out the wazoo?
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Per a child, taxpayers are already paying a comparable figure to private education without anywhere close to the same results. A radical shakeup is due.
 
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IPorange said:
Per a child, taxpayers are already paying a comparable figure to private education without anywhere close to the same results. A radical shakeup is due.
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That's not fair. The kids are not the same, and the parents are not the same. The amount of money is only one piece of the puzzle.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
The US has continued to fall behind the rest of the world since the inception of the Department of Education. My guess this is due in large part to the teachers unions taking over the department.
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The countries we're falling behind are not nations with a large amount of students in private schools.
 
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IPorange said:
Per a child, taxpayers are already paying a comparable figure to private education without anywhere close to the same results. A radical shakeup is due.
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Good point.

Our government will not give up those tax dollars, they'll simply divert those funds elsewhere.

I think private education is much better than public, there is no way it can be argued otherwise, the stats are there.
 
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Ed12111 said:
That's not fair. The kids are not the same, and the parents are not the same. The amount of money is only one piece of the puzzle.
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Another very good point. This nation is lazy, parents simply don't play as large a part in their kids education as they used to. Partly because as is the case with many government programs parents are separated from the cost of education. Parents who send their kids to private schools understand exactly how much that education is costing them and they make sure their kids are getting their moneys worth.
 
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Ed12111 said:
The countries we're falling behind are not nations with a large amount of students in private schools.
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Once people accept the fact that a teacher's union sole responsibility is getting the teacher the fattest gig, and has nothing to do with education the quicker things will improve.

I don't believe private schools are better than public schools because they're private, but because a private school has a vested interest in the child. If the child doesn't learn, you stop paying for them to go there. If a teacher performs poorly, there is no such thing as tenure to fall back on. In private schools the focus is on the child, because that translates into money. There is no such incentive with public schools in its current state. Change the incentives and you fix public schools. The easiest way would be the voucher system. Public schools remain intact, but you've provided those schools a real incentive to perform well.
 
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KB5252 said:
Another very good point. This nation is lazy, parents simply don't play as large a part in their kids education as they used to. Partly because as is the case with many government programs parents are separated from the cost of education. Parents who send their kids to private schools understand exactly how much that education is costing them and they make sure their kids are getting their moneys worth.
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This is true to a point. But way too many teachers want the parents to teach the child everything at home, while they baby-sit them during the day. Improvements on both ends need to be made.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Once people accept the fact that a teacher's union sole responsibility is getting the teacher the fattest gig, and has nothing to do with education the quicker things will improve.

I don't believe private schools are better than public schools because they're private, but because a private school has a vested interest in the child. If the child doesn't learn, you stop paying for them to go there. If a teacher performs poorly, there is no such thing as tenure to fall back on. In private schools the focus is on the child, because that translates into money. There is no such incentive with public schools in its current state. Change the incentives and you fix public schools. The easiest way would be the voucher system. Public schools remain intact, but you've provided those schools a real incentive to perform well.
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Why should teachers have to lobby on behalf of the kids?
It's not as if teachers are exorbitantly paid, so what's the problem with them lobbying to get what they do? I think the nation as a whole should be concerned with education.
 
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Ed12111 said:
Why should teachers have to lobby on behalf of the kids?
It's not as if teachers are exorbitantly paid, so what's the problem with them lobbying to get what they do? I think the nation as a whole should be concerned with education.
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Never said they needed to, but the common misconception is the Teacher's Union is about the betterment of education when its not. As long as the teacher's unions remain powerful education will not improve.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
Never said they needed to, but the common misconception is the Teacher's Union is about the betterment of education when its not. As long as the teacher's unions remain powerful education will not improve.
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I don't know about that. If teachers salaries were considerably higher, and teaching was an elite job I would think education would improve. I can only imagine if the best and brightest were interested in teaching what it would do for us.
 
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Ed12111 said:
I don't know about that. If teachers salaries were considerably higher, and teaching was an elite job I would think education would improve. I can only imagine if the best and brightest were interested in teaching what it would do for us.
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One of my graduate school professors is one of the most respected men in america in the accounting field. Classmaned still moaned and complained about him bc he was tough. I disagree that your theory would truly help that much at all.
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tigervol9802 said:
One of my graduate school professors is one of the most respected men in america in the accounting field. Classmaned still moaned and complained about him bc he was tough. I disagree that your theory would truly help that much at all.
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But did they learn? I don't see why more qualified teachers being better is the least bit controversial. A lot of the countries that are passing us in education put a lot more respect and money in the teaching profession. South Korea, for example, pays their teachers up to 144,000 a year.
 
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lumberjack4 said:
This is true to a point. But way too many teachers want the parents to teach the child everything at home, while they baby-sit them during the day. Improvements on both ends need to be made.
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There is a huge lack of desire to teach some children, and a huge lack of desire for some children to allow themselves to be taught.

In certain areas in my city, teachers have more of a desire to leave than the kids they teach.

The entire way we process students and education in this country needs to be drastically altered.

I also wouldn't mind changing the school year to be year round. Our current system is based on an agricultural society that, for the most part, no longer exists.

If we completely change our model, we could conceivably entice more students to become interested in education.

Shorter days, more breaks throughout, no 2-3 month summer vacation where students learn that, hey, school sucks compared to sitting around the pool.
 
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fl0at said:
There is a huge lack of desire to teach some children, and a huge lack of desire for some children to allow themselves to be taught.

In certain areas in my city, teachers have more of a desire to leave than the kids they teach.

The entire way we process students and education in this country needs to be drastically altered.

I also wouldn't mind changing the school year to be year round. Our current system is based on an agricultural society that, for the most part, no longer exists.

If we completely change our model, we could conceivably entice more students to become interested in education.

Shorter days, more breaks throughout, no 2-3 month summer vacation where students learn that, hey, school sucks compared to sitting around the pool.
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I would like that too.
 
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