Thoughts on players outbursts and reactions

#26
#26
TennTom said:
I'm sure Mike Hamilton is not at all concerned about what some football players had to say about his decision. In the realm of public opinion, he has unequivocal support.
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I don't believe he has all that much support. While people love him for his hiring of Bruce Pearl, if he doesn't pick a headcoach that brings UT's football program back into national prominence, he will be gone... but yea I guess that is unequivocal support when you make one bad decision and you'll be out the door.
 
#27
#27
VolinBoro said:
Once again Im not saying the players should have been able to come out and speak out about it all and everything. Im saying the university could have controlled the situation with the threatening of the scholarship being revoked if they did. I believe the entire situation was handled wrong. But with no threat of consequences, of course the players are going to express their opinions. Just like you all have the right to express your opinions on the situation.
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you shouldn't have to threaten a student with revoking their scholarship for outbursts against the university. they should know better than to do that..but i guess off the field discipline wasn't much of a concern for phil and company..
 
#28
#28
pantone151 said:
you shouldn't have to threaten a student with revoking their scholarship for outbursts against the university. they should know better than to do that..but i guess off the field discipline wasn't much of a concern for phil and company..
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Threatening revoking a scholarship would have been extreme, but highly effective. Just like when coaches tell their players not to talk to the media. No different than any team rule. You break the rules you suffer the consquences.
 
#29
#29
VolinBoro said:
I don't believe he has all that much support. While people love him for his hiring of Bruce Pearl, if he doesn't pick a headcoach that brings UT's football program back into national prominence, he will be gone... but yea I guess that is unequivocal support when you make one bad decision and you'll be out the door.
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In the decision to terminate Fulmer, he has undeniable support. He definitely needs to make a good hiring decision as well. But you are underestimating the job he has done and the support he has in the AD.
 
#30
#30
BJSforVols said:
Disagree. That would be Hamilton's fault, but no need to rehash that since it's been discussed several times in several different threads.
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No, it's not. By all reports CPF knew Sunday and wanted to wait to tell the players until Monday.

Someone leaked the story between Sunday and Monday morning, and it wasn't Hamilton.
 
#31
#31
JZVOL said:
No, it's not. By all reports CPF knew Sunday and wanted to wait to tell the players until Monday.

Someone leaked the story between Sunday and Monday morning, and it wasn't Hamilton.
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He knew right after the South Carolina game.
 
#32
#32
JZVOL said:
No, it's not. By all reports CPF knew Sunday and wanted to wait to tell the players until Monday.

Someone leaked the story between Sunday and Monday morning, and it wasn't Hamilton.
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What's your references? VOLnation? Were all the players available Sunday? Check back in when you have the enitre story.
 
#33
#33
Given that the force-out was such a long time coming I am surrpised by how poorly it was handled. One would have thought that he would have been sat down in person and the situation explained and a plan developed for how to handle it with the players and the media.

Instead, it gets out and the players are "WTF?" and showing up at this press conference and they are mad and its cross-wise on whether he quit or got fired or what. Whole thing was just a mess.
 
#34
#34
BJSforVols said:
What's your references? VOLnation? Were all the players available Sunday? Check back in when you have the enitre story.
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Yes they practice on Sundays.

The only speculation (something I'm not sure is a fact) that I'll give is the person who broke the story was Chris Lowe. I believe someone from the CPF camp was much more likely to leak that to him than someone close to Hamilton.

It is a fact CPF had time to tell the players before it was leaked Monday morning.
 
#35
#35
salutethehill said:
What if this were an office environment? What if your supervisor was canned by the CEO, and then you went around dogging the CEO (to the media, no less) for canning your boss, how long would you last?
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My company has a policy that doesn't allow us to speak with the media. Punishment could be anywhere from a verbal warning or dismissal. If UT has the same then the players should be dealt with. But I am unaware of any such policy at UT.
 
#37
#37
BJSforVols said:
I've been through that. Our VP was let go, and many within our department (not me) did elect to speak negatively of the senior VP who let our VP go. (Not to the media of course since we are not a highly public organization.) Long story short, that was their choice. They remained, but the senior VP was dismissed at a later time. It became known to the CEO and CFO later that the senior VP was the whole problem.
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What exactly are you implying? :question:
 
#38
#38
JZVOL said:
I wasn't sure about that but heard a couple thing that makes that likely.

From quotes by Hamilton to his family crying in the locker room after the game.
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To be fair, the deal for him to leave was done a week in advance but he thought a win in Columbia might save his bacon.
 
#39
#39
JZVOL said:
Yes they practice on Sundays.

The only speculation (something I'm not sure is a fact) that I'll give is the person who broke the story was Chris Lowe. I believe someone from the CPF camp was much more likely to leak that to him than someone close to Hamilton.

It is a fact CPF had time to tell the players before it was leaked Monday morning.
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And the fact that Fulmer would not allow Lowe to ask a question at the press conference means anything? It should give a clue as to which camp may have leaked something.
 
#40
#40
JZVOL said:
I wasn't sure about that but heard a couple thing that makes that likely.

From quotes by Hamilton to his family crying in the locker room after the game.
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I heard the same about the family being distressed in the locker room after the game. I think I heard that here, though.
 
#42
#42
salutethehill said:
I heard the same about the family being distressed in the locker room after the game. I think I heard that here, though.
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If you read Clay Travis, he's following the team around this season because he's writing a book about it, he made it pretty clear that CPF knew he was done immediately after the USCe game.
 
#43
#43
BJSforVols said:
Replying to the post which suggested consider this in an office environment.
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If you plug the characters into your scenario it would sound like Hamilton is the problem (you being the players, your VP being Fulmer, with the senior VP being Hamilton). Oh well, at least Pearl is cool.
 
#44
#44
VolinBoro said:
It is easy to sit back and say they should exercise personal restraint, but when someone does something to someone in your family you do not remain silent on the issue. For many of these guys Fulmer has been that father figure that has always expressed his belief in them not only as football players but as men.

You can say its not helping Fulmer, but them remaining silent and appearing to be fine with the situation would not be helping him either. At least the players have expressed their support of Fulmer.

I guarentee every player on that team feels responsible for Fulmer being ousted. Thats something hard to deal with, especially for many of the players who have been actually giving all their effort out there on the field even if that effort isn't great.
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FOR THE LAST FREAKIN' TIME THE UNIVERSITY DIDNT DO ANYTHING BAD TO COACH FULMER. HE BROUGHT THIS UPON HIMSELF PEOPLE!!!!! JUST LOOK AT HIS RECENT RECORD, WHAT CHOICE DID THE AD HAVE???? GEEZ!! :banghead2:
 
#45
#45
salutethehill said:
If you plug the characters into your scenario it would sound like Hamilton is the problem (you being the players, your VP being Fulmer, with the senior VP being Hamilton). Oh well, at least Pearl is cool.
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I hear you. I'm not saying Hamilton is the problem though. (He could be part of it as far as I know, but I'm not saying that.) It was just pointing out that the people are not always let go for voicing their opinions. The senior VP did not get rid of any of the persons who spoke negatively about him.
 
#46
#46
BJSforVols said:
I hear you. I'm not saying Hamilton is the problem though. (He could be part of it as far as I know, but I'm not saying that.) It was just pointing out that the people are not always let go for voicing their opinions. The senior VP did not get rid of any of the persons who spoke negatively about him.
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i think there is a distinct difference between voicing your displeasure with co-workers (or fellow players) and going out publicly and doing it...
 
#47
#47
VolinBoro said:
I know a lot of people have major problems with the way the players have acted after Phil being forced to resign, but here is just one thought. While the players didn't handle the situation ideally for the public eye, the situation was handled poorly by the athletic department.

If the university wanted to assure that the players were not able to do what they did by walking out and their opinions of what happened all they had to do is make the promise that any player who said anything negative about the AD or university would immediately be subject to the revoking of their scholarship.

Any opinions?
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Fault of athletic dept #1, and CPF #2......but mostly athletic department for handling the whole thing piss-poor from beginning to end (press conference)

Can't blame the players for being emotional.....even though Briscoe acted poorly, his actions reflected the team's mindset, he should haev NEVER been allowed to ask a question......
 
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