This makes me angry..........

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What is the point of building a great team only for them to leave in a year or to. They are after Cutt, Taylor, and Playgirl after Bruce Pearl now. ouch:) As for Cutt and Taylor I know they can earn more money and a head coaching job somewhere but let us win one before they go. Hell, go ahead and take Pat S while your at it.
 
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i don't think anyone has gone anywhere yet....and it's never a bad thing when your coaches are doing a good enough job to draw interest from others. that's usually a sign that they are actually pretty good.

i'm still not convinced that TT is going anywhere, they haven't even made an offer or had a face to face yet....

can't worry about it, until/unless it happens...in the meantime, it's nice to actually have coaches that are doing a good enough job that others notice it.
 
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i don't think anyone has gone anywhere yet....and it's never a bad thing when your coaches are doing a good enough job to draw interest from others. that's usually a sign that they are actually pretty good.

i'm still not convinced that TT is going anywhere, they haven't even made an offer or had a face to face yet....

can't worry about it, until/unless it happens...in the meantime, it's nice to actually have coaches that are doing a good enough job that others notice it.

i think it is when you are a average football team, trying to get better.
 
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What is the point of building a great team only for them to leave in a year or to. They are after Cutt, Taylor, and Playgirl after Bruce Pearl now. ouch:) As for Cutt and Taylor I know they can earn more money and a head coaching job somewhere but let us win one before they go. Hell, go ahead and take Pat S while your at it.

Our best chances of winning sec are with Rut & Taylor staying here. Taylor's recruiting is key for us...

I hope they both stay, if they were too leave (I don't even want to think about it)
 
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why does it make you angry????? it is part of coaching.....

they can take Cut for all I care.
 
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All indications are that Coach Cutcliffe handled this with complete class. I'd expect nothing less...

Coach Cut on the Browns...
A source close to the situation said Cutcliffe turned down the Browns' offer, which would have doubled the $300,000 salary he's making at Tennessee right now.
"It's always flattering when other people show interest, and this is the time of year that teams are pursuing coaches," Cutcliffe said. "I'm not looking for a job. I have a great job at Tennessee. The Browns contacted me, and I felt like I owed it to myself to at least listen.
"But I'm committed to finishing what I started at Tennessee, and that's all I'm focusing on right now."

Now, as for Troop...
Cutcliffe is hopeful Taylor will make a similar decision. Taylor has been contacted by Howard University about its head coaching position and is among a handful of finalists for the job.
Taylor is gathering information about the job and talking to colleagues and mentors of his in the profession.
As the Vols' assistant head coach for player development, Taylor's salary at Tennessee is $135,000. Howard is believed to be paying somewhere in the $200,000 to $250,000 range for its new head coach.
Taylor, who just competed his third season with the Vols, was wooed by Texas after his first season in Knoxville. He received a raise and the assistant head coach for player development title to stay at UT. He coached running backs his first two seasons at Tennessee and switched to receivers this past season.
 
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i think it is when you are a average football team, trying to get better.
fair enough...and i would certainly concede that a large reason why we have the recruits we do this year is because of both of these guys......so if at some point, both were to leave, the loss would be significant.

but to this point, cut has turned down the browns, and TT has had a phone interview with a DII MEAC school.

i'm just not going to worry about it until/unless it happens.
 
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No man Cutt is great, you really dont care for him?

I think that Cut is a really good QB coach and a serviceable coordinator. I by no means would say he is "great".

I along with many many many Tennessee supporters were ready to see him go when he left to take over at Ole Miss.

Yes the offense showed some improvement in certain areas this year however Fulmer and Cut were cut from the same mold. Both are generally conservative and coach not to lose. I do not like that coaching mentality. I prefer coaches who coach to win (if you understand where I am coming from).

It is also frustrating that the offense rarely utilizes freshman especially receivers because the offense is so complex (ie the receivers have to read defenses). IMO you must get your play makers the ball any way you can even if they are freshman. It seems to me that if your QB can read the defenses he can check to the right play and routes (happens all over the country).

Also, many of these highly touted guys want to play as a freshman and will go where the coaches will actually get them in the game as a frosh. Lastly about getting your playmakers the ball, I recall SC last year getting rice the ball all over the field and he was their only true wideout. This also aplies to bama.
 
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If you are a person that feels you can benefit from leaving a job to go elsewhere,then I am all for that. I dont want to see TT leave but if he ends up leaving then I wish him luck.
 
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Patrick, couldn't agree more. I believe Coach Cut is one of the better QB coaches in the land, but average OC. But this is what you want, good young coaches with high goals. You loose some and go out and get more young quality coaches. This program starts getting a reputation of developing coaches and you'll have your pick of talented coaches.
 
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Patrick, couldn't agree more. I believe Coach Cut is one of the better QB coaches in the land, but average OC. But this is what you want, good young coaches with high goals. You loose some and go out and get more young quality coaches. This program starts getting a reputation of developing coaches and you'll have your pick of talented coaches.

Right now, I get the impression that the UT staff's reputation is like a union. Pass the apprenticeship program and don't fail your pee tests and you've got a job for life. Doesn't really lend itself to the dynamic that you describe, although I completely agree that UT needs to have that dynamic in place. This is a constant argument between one group of people who think that "staff stability" is the be all-end all, and another group who think that fresh perspective and new ideas are the key to continued success. I will say that even at oft cited bastions of staff stability (PSU and FSU) the "stability" really doesn't extend very far beyond the head coach position.
 
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Patrick, couldn't agree more. I believe Coach Cut is one of the better QB coaches in the land, but average OC. But this is what you want, good young coaches with high goals. You loose some and go out and get more young quality coaches. This program starts getting a reputation of developing coaches and you'll have your pick of talented coaches.

Spot on. Fact is, some folks are better at being a position coach, some are better in a coordinator role, some specialize in recruiting, and some were just born to be a head coach. The secret to success is for each person to find their proper "path", and follow it. Get the pieces mixed up, and the puzzle will never be a complete picture.

IMO, Cut is a great position coach (QB), a predictable coordinator, and just not cut out for a head coaching job. That's just my take on it.

He's not the only one on the staff you could say that about.

Go Vols.
 
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Our best chances of winning sec are with Rut & Taylor staying here. Taylor's recruiting is key for us...

I hope they both stay, if they were too leave (I don't even want to think about it)

You insult Cutcliffe with a stupid nickname, yet you admit he's part of the best chances we have? Makes sense.
 
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Also, many of these highly touted guys want to play as a freshman and will go where the coaches will actually get them in the game as a frosh. .
the only retort i would offer to this is then why is our recruiting class this year looking so good? i understand where you are coming from and i agree that we need to get those that can make plays on the feild more often, regardless of age/experience. if they can play, they can play. but the true freshman that can honestly make a huge impact on a regular basis is few and far between. Plus, there is something to be said for redshirting, when done appropriately. it builds depth and is a good way to prepare for longer term success, but your overall point of putting the best players on the feild is completely valid. i think back to JAmal Lewis in 97. couldn't play in the FL game cause he hadn't picked up the blocking schemes yet...one week later against Ole miss we were all wondering where was this kid last week?????
Patrick, couldn't agree more. I believe Coach Cut is one of the better QB coaches in the land, but average OC. But this is what you want, good young coaches with high goals. You loose some and go out and get more young quality coaches. This program starts getting a reputation of developing coaches and you'll have your pick of talented coaches.
i think we are starting to see that right now. obviously, this thread was started about one of our coaches being sought after as a HC, and Cut had the interview the the browns. regardless of how you feel about Cutcliffe, (and i wasn't exactly a fan of his in his previous life at UT), i do think the HC experience he had at Ole Miss was valuable in developing him to be able to understand the other side of the process, not just a position coach/coordinator aspect. i think he's much better now than he was before. Also, again, how you feel about him not withstanding, his reputation has grown over the last few years as being a good offensive mind, a good OC and a well above average QB coach. his work with Ainge this past season was nothing short of impressive, considering the shape Ainge was in coming in to 06. plus it kind of validated his work with the manning brothers. so many were quick to write that off as "it was the mannings, anyone could coach them" or "archie was more responsible for that than anythng Cut did". at this point, i think the development of Ainge under Cut shed some light on how good of a qb coach he really is. this was the guy that CW wanted coaching Brady Quinn, that from a guy that coached Tom Brady to 3 Super Bowls. that's a pretty good endorsement imo.

Right now, I get the impression that the UT staff's reputation is like a union. Pass the apprenticeship program and don't fail your pee tests and you've got a job for life. Doesn't really lend itself to the dynamic that you describe, although I completely agree that UT needs to have that dynamic in place. This is a constant argument between one group of people who think that "staff stability" is the be all-end all, and another group who think that fresh perspective and new ideas are the key to continued success. I will say that even at oft cited bastions of staff stability (PSU and FSU) the "stability" really doesn't extend very far beyond the head coach position.
i would agree with this statement, there's a happy medium out there that we really haven't found yet. though i think we are actively working towards it. Staff stability does have it's advantages, we all know that from a recruiting stanpoint, that has been one of the selling points for UT. however, anything can get stale and old, and no amount of stability will entice kids that have that perception.

i think we took strides in the right direction this past off season with some of the new hires and staff shuffling we went thru.

But, just as an example, i think Bowden would have loved to have been able to keep Mark Richt as OC for the past 6 years............when you got a good one, they're that much harder to replace, regardless of blood lines......
 
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What is the point of building a great team only for them to leave in a year or to. They are after Cutt, Taylor, and Playgirl after Bruce Pearl now. ouch:) As for Cutt and Taylor I know they can earn more money and a head coaching job somewhere but let us win one before they go. Hell, go ahead and take Pat S while your at it.

He'd be making in the 200K to 250K range in one of the highest cost of living areas in the world. He'll wait a year or two because something is certain to come along that is much better.

Do you think TT and Fulmer have some sort of work study agreement for TT that will let him be every position coach for a year or so? He's already coached rbs and wrs. What's next? Sounds like he is being groomed for a HC position to me.

I've got an idea. Why don't we give TT the entire special teams duties in addition to recruiting coordinator duties? With his enthusiasm and work ethic, and the fact that every group has improved under his tutelage, I would think he would be ideal for this role. It give him one more feather in his cap to be a great coach too. Just a thought.
 
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Right now, I get the impression that the UT staff's reputation is like a union. Pass the apprenticeship program and don't fail your pee tests and you've got a job for life. Doesn't really lend itself to the dynamic that you describe, although I completely agree that UT needs to have that dynamic in place. This is a constant argument between one group of people who think that "staff stability" is the be all-end all, and another group who think that fresh perspective and new ideas are the key to continued success. I will say that even at oft cited bastions of staff stability (PSU and FSU) the "stability" really doesn't extend very far beyond the head coach position.

No to start any great psychological analysis on the reason why some coaches at UT still have jobs, but I've often wondered if Fulmer prefers not to have any up and coming potential future head coaches on staff. Remember how Phil got his job and he might not want to lose his job in a similar situation. Not saying he's deliberately keeping poor coaches on staff, but I've always wondered if this is in the back of his mind.
 
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