This adequately sums up Martin's tenure on the Hill

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No mention of ball played prior to 10 games ago is weak but whatever. He will get paid here or somewhere else for his run. Good for him. I've been close to fired and end up getting a raise so hats off. Mine was $3k but still counts.
 
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I think Martin will receive offers, but probably not from the Big 10 which seems to be his desired future destination.
At present unless someone steals an established coach, there won't be any vacancies for 1 or 2 more seasons.
If he makes the Elite 8, he should be paid in kind. Less than that could merit some increase.
 
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The season has definitely taken a turn for the better and had we all been told at the beginning of the season that we would be in the Sweet Sixteen (or better) we'd have gladly taken that and said give the man more money, but as happy as we all are, most of us still have some hesitation based on the 2 and half seasons prior to this run. That being said, he is in the bottom third of the SEC in Coach pay, and I think he definitely deserves to be in the upper third, but I wouldn't do an extension, id do a whole new contract. JMO.
 
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1allvol said:
The season has definitely taken a turn for the better and had we all been told at the beginning of the season that we would be in the Sweet Sixteen (or better) we'd have gladly taken that and said give the man more money, but as happy as we all are, most of us still have some hesitation based on the 2 and half seasons prior to this run. That being said, he is in the bottom third of the SEC in Coach pay, and I think he definitely deserves to be in the upper third, but I wouldn't do an extension, id do a whole new contract. JMO.
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We have to extend. IMO But the buyout should be kept within reason.
 
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Hart's options are limited. He has to be put in the top half of the conference in terms of pay and recruiting demands he get an extension. Job offers will be there. Either pay the man or let him go.
 
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Would you rather be in Syracuse's shoes, winning 25 in a row and then tanking or Tennessee taking 3/4's of the season to find their game and hitting their stride at the right time?

I hope we can keep him.
 
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It really wasn't anything that hasn't been posted on VN. I doubt Cuonzo Martin is sensitive enough to allow the opinion of some fans to force him out or that UT's admin will overreact to the late season run. Martin deserves a 2 year extension with a modest raise if he can do better than more power to him.
 
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If he chooses to go, he does. But reading the sole comment below the story and others on this board, I have no idea why everyone always assumes that no one would ever want to come here for any reason when a coach leaves or gets fired. In every sport too. Good coaches actually do want to come to this level. We've not always had the sense to hire them, but they've wanted the job.

A) There are always good mid-major coaches looking to move up.

B) We'd pay essentially double what they are making.

C) Tennessee is a basketball rich state in the high school ranks with loads of talent nearby.

D) 3 of the last 4 coaches here have been to the Sweet 16.

E) Despite claims to the contrary, our fanbase is no different than any other. Lose when you aren't supposed to, we get unhappy. Win, we get happy. Remember FireRonZook.com? I believe that one was rolling within a few months of his hire. Look at Rupps Rafters. They had threads about firing Cal and hiring Bruce Pearl going this year.
 
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Good read and on point. I had definitely given up on Martin, and was wanting Pearl back. Many fans make knee jerk reactions when things aren't going like we think they should. Martin deserves a raise and extension. I'm hoping that what we are seeing is a young coach learning and making strides. Go Vols!
 
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"Cuonzo Martin was the man who stepped in to fill that void left by Pearl’s demise, and three years later we wanted to turn him loose in favor of Bruce Pearl because he couldn’t fix Bruce’s mess fast enough?"

I was good with it until this.

To preference I'm not a petitioner rather one who was quite concerned with the perceived underachievement this season and calling for an evaluation to following the season.

While I can only speak to my opinion, my 2 concerns were the lack of production from the obviously talented individual players along with some questionable recruiting over CCM's tenure. CBP didn't leave UT on probation and he did leave some nice players (Maymon and McRae) behind for the next coach. The cupboard wasn't bare. From reading this forum, I felt like I shared the majority opinion. There was also a vocal minority who appeared to be anti-CCM / pro-CBP regardless of any results.

The reasoned fan's impatience with CCM appeared to have nothing to do with what he inherited from CBP 3 years back. It was 100% directed toward his current job performance in relation to team wins/losses along with future prospects of increased wins/losses in light of the poorly ranked recruits during CCM's tenure excluding Stokes and Hubbs.
 
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If we're gonna have trouble paying Martin enough to keep him, does that not scare anyone as to what we would be willing to spend to replace him? Especially when you have to factor in the buyout of a replacement that the AD would also have to replace.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
If he chooses to go, he does. But reading the sole comment below the story and others on this board, I have no idea why everyone always assumes that no one would ever want to come here for any reason when a coach leaves or gets fired. In every sport too. Good coaches actually do want to come to this level. We've not always had the sense to hire them, but they've wanted the job.

A) There are always good mid-major coaches looking to move up.

B) We'd pay essentially double what they are making.

C) Tennessee is a basketball rich state in the high school ranks with loads of talent nearby.

D) 3 of the last 4 coaches here have been to the Sweet 16.

E) Despite claims to the contrary, our fanbase is no different than any other. Lose when you aren't supposed to, we get unhappy. Win, we get happy. Remember FireRonZook.com? I believe that one was rolling within a few months of his hire. Look at Rupps Rafters. They had threads about firing Cal and hiring Bruce Pearl going this year.
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I assume it because history tells me so. And maybe not so much that the coach wouldn't want to come here. But more that UTAD wouldn't do what it took to make it happen.
 
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VolArmy74 said:
If he chooses to go, he does. But reading the sole comment below the story and others on this board, I have no idea why everyone always assumes that no one would ever want to come here for any reason when a coach leaves or gets fired. In every sport too. Good coaches actually do want to come to this level. We've not always had the sense to hire them, but they've wanted the job.

A) There are always good mid-major coaches looking to move up.

B) We'd pay essentially double what they are making.

C) Tennessee is a basketball rich state in the high school ranks with loads of talent nearby.

D) 3 of the last 4 coaches here have been to the Sweet 16.

E) Despite claims to the contrary, our fanbase is no different than any other. Lose when you aren't supposed to, we get unhappy. Win, we get happy. Remember FireRonZook.com? I believe that one was rolling within a few months of his hire. Look at Rupps Rafters. They had threads about firing Cal and hiring Bruce Pearl going this year.
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I don't know if it's that I never paid attention before or what , but this fan base hasn't been as supportive as they should have been . I just don't like stuff like idiotic petitions . No matter who the coach is I will support my Vols . If there is a change to be made the athletic department will take care of it . We have no say in such things and the players get caught in the cross fire . I don't understand all the negativity . It serves no purpose
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
If we're gonna have trouble paying Martin enough to keep him, does that not scare anyone as to what we would be willing to spend to replace him? Especially when you have to factor in the buyout of a replacement that the AD would also have to replace.
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I'm in love and married to my wife forever, not married to my ball coach. It's just basketball and there is other coaches. That's why I wasn't one wanting BP back, move forward. Just say n.
 
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Manvol said:
I'm in love and married to my wife forever, not married to my ball coach. It's just basketball and there is other coaches. That's why I wasn't one wanting BP back, move forward. Just say n.
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I wanna be good, don't really care who the coach is, but I would like it to be Zo. If we are gonna have issues paying Zo, my confidence we can hire a successful replacement isn't very high.
 
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A man is only as faithful as his options, so it will be interesting to see how this plays out.
 
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The point of all this is, the University of Tennessee is going to have to pony up if they hope to keep Cuonzo Martin in the fold (and there’s no true guarantee that will be enough), and that’s all the byproduct of a vocal plurality–36,000 petition signees seems to qualify that statement–of fans who seem to lack enough foresight to realize that Bruce Pearl and Tennessee can never again co-exist.




I think this part speaks volumes, especially the very last of it.
 
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The writer basically says what I've been saying all season. CCM is not the best coach in America but he's a landslide better than most of those we could hire to replace him, and if we run him off at his current record and level of success we will assuredly become that job no rising star wants to have, and no proven coach would stoop to even consider. You can't go around acting like Kansas or Syracuse fans unless you really are a Kansas or Syracuse / a job that no sane coach would turn down.

Mark my words, if CCM leaves us for greener pastures we will be blacklisted in the coaching profession, doomed to be at best a stepping stone job for mid major wannabes, endure several years of sub .500 ball, and it will be all because of Volnation. Thanks for making our bed, jerks (not all of you or even the majority, but you know who you are, petition boys). Pray we don't have to lie in it.
 
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kevino said:
I don't know if it's that I never paid attention before or what , but this fan base hasn't been as supportive as they should have been . I just don't like stuff like idiotic petitions . No matter who the coach is I will support my Vols . If there is a change to be made the athletic department will take care of it . We have no say in such things and the players get caught in the cross fire . I don't understand all the negativity . It serves no purpose
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This may help you understand, some people are never happy! :no: :hi:
 
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Good read, except article fails to mention why 35k + signed the petition...inconsistent basketball with a very talented team. If this team had been performing all year long, then a petition would've never been created.

If he can't take the heat and leaves because he felt 'dis-respected' (which I don't think he will, btw), then he's in the wrong business, IMO.
 
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lostsheep said:
Good read, except article fails to mention why 35k + signed the petition...inconsistent basketball with a very talented team. If this team had been performing all year long, then a petition would've never been created.

If he can't take the heat and leaves because he felt 'dis-respected' (which I don't think he will, btw), then he's in the wrong business, IMO.
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It has nothing to do with heat. It has to do with the fan ignorance and irrationality that is causing the heat. Big difference.
 
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PagingDrVol said:
It has nothing to do with heat. It has to do with the fan ignorance and irrationality that is causing the heat. Big difference.
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Actually, it has everything to do with heat. There are ignorant and irrational fans at every school. Better learn to deal with it, or find a new profession.
 
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