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Its just so depressing to see four lives ruined this way. You've got three kids, one of whom at 10 is apparently totally out of control and just plain mean, beating up on the most defenseless human being they could find.

When the story came out, the homeless guy told the paper that he could not bring himself to fight back because he was afraid he would get in trouble for hitting a ten year old. Someone told me that a local station showed video of the kids being led into a building and one of them flashed the bird at the camera.

Just completely and utterly depressing.
 
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When did this happen LG? I remember something like this happening around here but it was awhile back.
 
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hohenfelsvol said:
When did this happen LG? I remember something like this happening around here but it was awhile back.
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About a year ago there was a homeless man killed by some teenagers. This new one just happened within the last few days. Kids were bored I guess.

Its a matter of teaching them to respect everyone and maybe even to want to reach out and protect the downtrodden. Someone has to figure out a way to make them have some compassion. Not that its okay to beat up someone who could defend himself, of course. But that they would pick this man as a victim suggests to me that they don't have any sense of people less fortunate or who have problems.
 
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Am at a loss to describe these kids and their actions. Starts with the parents I think in this case and in Drew's case at least there was no parental guidance or discipline at all.
 
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lawgator1 said:
... of the shock and dismay they have caused. Ten year olds beating up homeless people. I live in the Orlando area, about an hour west of Daytona. That city is famous for the race and Spring Break, but it has its bad spots, too. Read about these kids:


Neighbors: Young suspect is tiny terror - Orlando Sentinel : Volusia County News Neighbors: Young suspect is tiny terror - Orlando Sentinel : Volusia County News
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I use to work in Juvenile/young adult lock up.You would think they were all hulk hogan if you went by their smart mouth.But I do remember kids crying to get out of there.Not so tough once the doors close behind them and a few (unmonitored) fights break out amongst the juvies.My question is "Where in the Hell is mom and pop"?My best quess would be either strung out or locked up.
 
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utfantilidie said:
I use to work in Juvenile/young adult lock up.You would think they were all hulk hogan if you went by their smart mouth.But I do remember kids crying to get out of there.Not so tough once the doors close behind them and a few (unmonitored) fights break out amongst the juvies.My question is "Where in the Hell is mom and pop"?My best quess would be either strung out or locked up.
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The article I attached answers that question: nowhere to be found.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The article I attached answers that question: nowhere to be found.
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I recall a 14 year old child getting out of lock up, locked up over 30 days,and our staff was taking him home and they passed the parents leaving the house on the way home.:no: Where do these people come from?
 
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upbringing:
there's no lifeguard at the gene pool.

and that may be a bit to light hearted for the subject matter here, but the point is still the same.

kids that young, while they should be held accountable, really have no shot when the parents they have don't amount to much in rearing productive members of society.

i know there are certain local and state governments that have penalties in place for parents of children that break the law. i don't agree with all of them. but it'd be hard not to convince me that the parents in this situation shouldn't be held accountable pretty extensively, and the child be put in the custody of the state, which again, may not solve the problem either......i recognize that too.
 
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More than absent parenting, that 10-year old probably has diagnosable Conduct Disorder. That's typically what full-fledged sociopaths have at an early age before they start going on killing sprees. E.g. the types of kids that torture animals, etc.

That's one of my major fears about becoming a parent - having a kid, that for whatever reason, is born without a conscience. You can't rehabilitate or properly parent a genuine sociopath.
 
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I wonder if someone is going to come forward and offer to adopt him or the other one. I'd do it except that I can't even take care of myself. Tellk you what, though if someone steps forward to do it I'll send $100 to help with costs of education, clothing, therapy, medical expenses, etc.

I'd like to think that they are young enough to be heldped if someone would step forward and take a firm hand and give them some guidance. Sad thing is there are a million of these kids running aorund our nation's streets right now, teetering between a career in jail or a possibly productive and happy existence.
 
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HotlantaVol said:
More than absent parenting, that 10-year old probably has diagnosable Conduct Disorder. That's typically what full-fledged sociopaths have at an early age before they start going on killing sprees. E.g. the types of kids that torture animals, etc.

That's one of my major fears about becoming a parent - having a kid, that for whatever reason, is born without a conscience. You can't rehabilitate or properly parent a genuine sociopath.
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my first is due in June........now i got something else to worry about. thanks alot.:confused:
 
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HotlantaVol said:
More than absent parenting, that 10-year old probably has diagnosable Conduct Disorder. That's typically what full-fledged sociopaths have at an early age before they start going on killing sprees. E.g. the types of kids that torture animals, etc.

That's one of my major fears about becoming a parent - having a kid, that for whatever reason, is born without a conscience. You can't rehabilitate or properly parent a genuine sociopath.
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Good point.Actually, my oldest son in college is in the Clinical Psychology field, did some studying/testing of patients for a top clincical psychologist in Nashiville, (also lectures/teaches at Vandy), it is amazing just by doing test and brain scans he can actually diagnose the problem.This involves autism,etc.,any brain disorder for young and adult alike such as dementia,alzheimers,etc.There is great hope for the future to recognize and treat problems of this nature.
 
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utfantilidie said:
Good point.Actually, my oldest son in college is in the Clinical Psychology field, did some studying/testing of patients for a top clincical psychologist in Nashiville, (also lectures/teaches at Vandy), it is amazing just by doing test and brain scans he can actually diagnose the problem.This involves autism,etc.,any brain disorder for young and adult alike such as dementia,alzheimers,etc.There is great hope for the future to recognize and treat problems of this nature.
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Still no test out there though to identify those that might one day root for the University of Tennessee. Sadly, until medical science can devise such a test, treatment is just not an option. There is hope that one day, with the right combination of castration, brain surgery, and drug therapy, it will be possible to keep people from going down that unspeakably horrible path. Until that day, I weep for those that are victims of this awful genetic mutation. I weep.
 
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Ask any con in the joint what he wants to do when he's sprung and he'll talk of heading for the beach. It has led to Florida becoming a den of criminals.
 
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And while we're on Juveniles, 300 of them roam inside the gates not but 200 ft from my house. Those kids are on a tight leash and I can guarantee you all of them would have something to tell those kids. They'll be throwing their lives away if they can't their things straight. But I believe they're shutting down the State School down here soon due to a sick and twisted pedophile.
 
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vader said:
The fact that you would worry about it implies that it probably won't happen.
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Vader, I only wish that were true, my man. I see kids every day (my family included) that have great parents, but fall into the wrong crowd, and are steered down the wrong street by overwhelming pressure from those with whom they spend most of their time.

Not to discount parenting. Our only line of defense is early education about behavior and the dangers of drugs, alcohol, et al. Keep an open line of communication, let them know that we are there to discuss ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING, and make them comfortable with doing so.

In reality, a lot of the burden, though, falls on society as a whole. Through TV, movies, music, print, and general attitude, we perpetuate such culturally-deteriorating ideals as self-indulgence, objectification, materialism, egocentrism, lack of consequence, and generalized nearsightedness. Until this changes, there will continue to be those who fall to the plagues of humanity.

LG, really sad story. Thanks for the update.
 
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