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rocytop2624 said:
You got me.
Who are the two?
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Hooker - got hurt, last action was in a blowout loss that knocked us out of contention

Sampson - objectively had a great year but not the greatest in college football or even at his position.


I don’t buy in to the “Everyone hates us and the world is out to get us” narrative that so many here cling to like it’s necessary for their survival. However, we are the all time leader in wins for any program without a Heisman, and we also have the most 2nd place finishes. Those second place finishes were to the only winner to never play pro sports, the only winner from a losing team, a guy who opted for the NBA over the NFL, and the only primarily defensive player to ever win it. It is odd, to say the least.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Hooker - got hurt, last action was in a blowout loss that knocked us out of contention

Sampson - objectively had a great year but not the greatest in college football or even at his position.


I don’t buy in to the “Everyone hates us and the world is out to get us” narrative that so many here cling to like it’s necessary for their survival. However, we are the all time leader in wins for any program without a Heisman, and we also have the most 2nd place finishes. Those second place finishes were to the only winner to never play pro sports, the only winner from a losing team, a guy who opted for the NBA over the NFL, and the only primarily defensive player to ever win it. It is odd, to say the least.
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Bryce Young also wasn't a finalist because he got hurt and missed time.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Hooker - got hurt, last action was in a blowout loss that knocked us out of contention

Sampson - objectively had a great year but not the greatest in college football or even at his position.


I don’t buy in to the “Everyone hates us and the world is out to get us” narrative that so many here cling to like it’s necessary for their survival. However, we are the all time leader in wins for any program without a Heisman, and we also have the most 2nd place finishes. Those second place finishes were to the only winner to never play pro sports, the only winner from a losing team, a guy who opted for the NBA over the NFL, and the only primarily defensive player to ever win it. It is odd, to say the least.
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With the Heisman committee, it seems to be the case.

I think SEC teams, outside of Alabama, have had challenges getting respect historically. A great example is 1983. Go compare Auburn and Miami's schedule for that year. Auburn had a more challenging schedule and beat the team that beat Miami. Why isn't Auburn 1983 National Champions?

There are a lot of "what ifs" with players and teams in the SEC in the past that you can go back and dive into?

How does a top 10-15 CFB program like Tennessee not have a Heisman? It isn't like we haven't produced legends like Johnny Majors, Doug Atkins, Reggie White, Peyton Manning, Eric Berry, Alvin Kamara, Jamal Lewis, etc.

We probably have more NFL Hall of Famers than a lot of the programs that have Heisman Trophy winners.

If I had any semblance of power or authority some day, I am definitely posing this question to the Heisman committee. The biggest screw job wasn't Peyton Manning, it was actually Johnny Majors. There isn't a good excuse at all why he didn't win the Heisman.

Also if they wanted to go defensive player route like they did with Charles Woodson, why not at least invite Al Wilson to the 1998 ceremony?
 
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I am of the opinion that we as a fanbase feed the flames of hate by continuing to moan and groan when this stuff happens. I don't follow awards often, mainly because I was in this camp in the 90s when Peyton was snubbed. I quit investing any energy in CFB awards then. I know who is important to the team's success without some arbitrary trophy ceremony. The only trophy I care about is the CFPNC game trophy.

Did DSamp get snubbed? Absolutely he did. Is it a knock towards him or UT? Probably. I love DSamp but Jeanty is a ridiculous RB that we will see on Sundays for the next few years. Jeanty leads the FBS in rushing yards (2,497), rushing touchdowns (29), and carries (344) this season. He's also eclipsed 200 yards rushing six times so far this fall, tied for the most in the FBS in at least 25 years. So did it really matter when he wasn't winning it anyway? Not to me.

Similarly, I am also in the camp, possibly even by myself, that Heup brings more penalties onto himself and his team by cussing out officials and throwing temper tantrums on the sidelines. Its human nature to become biased and retaliate when someone insults you constantly. Personally I wish he would stop, but nobody asked me.

I do know that basic psychology suggests that when someone says something mean about you that gets under your skin, it provides an avenue to push your buttons more. This bullying is an age old problem in grade school, but is also a reality of everyday adult life.

Take marriage for example. If I want my wife's attention when I'm talking to her about something important but she is steady ignoring me, I can simply say that maybe my girlfriend will want to hear more about my problem. Then I will have her full, undivided attention. I will be in the doghouse (my garage), but hell, at least its quiet in there and I can eat snacks and watch what I want on TV.
 
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volbound1700 said:
With the Heisman committee, it seems to be the case.

I think SEC teams, outside of Alabama, have had challenges getting respect historically. A great example is 1983. Go compare Auburn and Miami's schedule for that year. Auburn had a more challenging schedule and beat the team that beat Miami. Why isn't Auburn 1983 National Champions?

There are a lot of "what ifs" with players and teams in the SEC in the past that you can go back and dive into?

How does a top 10-15 CFB program like Tennessee not have a Heisman? It isn't like we haven't produced legends like Johnny Majors, Doug Atkins, Reggie White, Peyton Manning, Eric Berry, Alvin Kamara, Jamal Lewis, etc.

We probably have more NFL Hall of Famers than a lot of the programs that have Heisman Trophy winners.

If I had any semblance of power or authority some day, I am definitely posing this question to the Heisman committee. The biggest screw job wasn't Peyton Manning, it was actually Johnny Majors. There isn't a good excuse at all why he didn't win the Heisman.

Also if they wanted to go defensive player route like they did with Charles Woodson, why not at least invite Al Wilson to the 1998 ceremony?
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Miami defeated the #1 team in America in 1983 in the Orange Bowl. That's why Miami won National Championship. Nebraska that season was a offensive machine with Turner Gill at QB, Heisman Trophy winner Mike Rozier at TB and a 1st round WR in Irving Fryar. Nebraska was favored by double digits if I remember correctly but I could be wrong. BTW Auburn not winning National Championship warmed by heart that year. Screw that University..
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Miami defeated the #1 team in America in 1983 in the Orange Bowl. That's why Miami won National Championship. Nebraska that season was a offensive machine with Turner Gill at QB, Heisman Trophy winner Mike Rozier at TB and a 1st round WR in Irving Fryar. Nebraska was favored by double digits if I remember correctly but I could be wrong.
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Florida beat Miami and Auburn beat Florida. Auburn had same record. Notice Auburn only lost to #3 team and played the #5, #7, #4, #19, #17, and #8 team. Miami lost to Florida 28-3, and played only 3 ranked teams. Auburn SHOULD be the National Champion.

Here is their schedules:

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volbound1700 said:
It proves my point though, the National Media has traditionally disrespected the SEC. The argument is clear, 1983 should NOT be Miami, it should be Auburn. Why Auburn didn't play Nebraska? I have 0 clue.
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Because in the 80's Big 8 Champion automatically played in Orange Bowl and SEC Champion automatically played in Sugar Bowl..
 
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volbound1700 said:
It proves my point though, the National Media has traditionally disrespected the SEC. The argument is clear, 1983 should NOT be Miami, it should be Auburn. Why Auburn didn't play Nebraska? I have 0 clue.
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Auburn didn't play Nebraska due to conference bowl ties. SEC champion automatically went to the Sugar Bowl.
 
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volbound1700 said:
Florida beat Miami and Auburn beat Florida. Auburn had same record. Notice Auburn only lost to #3 team and played the #5, #7, #4, #19, #17, and #8 team. Miami lost to Florida 28-3, and played only 3 ranked teams. Auburn SHOULD be the National Champion.

Here is their schedules:

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The Nebraska team that Miami beat in the Orange Bowl was considered by many the greatest team of all time, until Miami beat them. They were a lock to jump to #1 when they won the game.
 
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volbound1700 said:
With the Heisman committee, it seems to be the case.

I think SEC teams, outside of Alabama, have had challenges getting respect historically. A great example is 1983. Go compare Auburn and Miami's schedule for that year. Auburn had a more challenging schedule and beat the team that beat Miami. Why isn't Auburn 1983 National Champions?

There are a lot of "what ifs" with players and teams in the SEC in the past that you can go back and dive into?

How does a top 10-15 CFB program like Tennessee not have a Heisman? It isn't like we haven't produced legends like Johnny Majors, Doug Atkins, Reggie White, Peyton Manning, Eric Berry, Alvin Kamara, Jamal Lewis, etc.

We probably have more NFL Hall of Famers than a lot of the programs that have Heisman Trophy winners.

If I had any semblance of power or authority some day, I am definitely posing this question to the Heisman committee. The biggest screw job wasn't Peyton Manning, it was actually Johnny Majors. There isn't a good excuse at all why he didn't win the Heisman.

Also if they wanted to go defensive player route like they did with Charles Woodson, why not at least invite Al Wilson to the 1998 ceremony?
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Al Wilson didn’t even win the Butkus that year. You could make the argument he was the 4th best linebacker in the country in 1998. Why would he be a Heisman finalist?
 
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Boston Vol said:
The Nebraska team that Miami beat in the Orange Bowl was considered by many the greatest team of all time, until Miami beat them. They were a lock to jump to #1 when they won the game.
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I personally think the 95 Nebraska team is the greatest team i can recall. Tommie Frazier was impossible to stop. The only team to go 12 -0 and beat everyone on their schedule by more than 14 points.
 
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dieseldaddy said:
I personally think the 95 Nebraska team is the greatest team i can recall. Tommie Frazier was impossible to stop. The only team to go 12 -0 and beat everyone on their schedule by more than 14 points.
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I should have said that a lot of people considered them the greatest team of all time by before they lost to Miami.
 
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farmdogvol said:
Bryce Young also wasn't a finalist because he got hurt and missed time.
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I think difference is, UT and Hooker came on strong as the season went along, where Bama/Bryce were on everyone's radar early in season. 2022 Vols were awesome, and don't remember where we were preseason, and don't know that Hooker was wildly projected to be SEC POY.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Hooker - got hurt, last action was in a blowout loss that knocked us out of contention

Sampson - objectively had a great year but not the greatest in college football or even at his position.


I don’t buy in to the “Everyone hates us and the world is out to get us” narrative that so many here cling to like it’s necessary for their survival. However, we are the all time leader in wins for any program without a Heisman, and we also have the most 2nd place finishes. Those second place finishes were to the only winner to never play pro sports, the only winner from a losing team, a guy who opted for the NBA over the NFL, and the only primarily defensive player to ever win it. It is odd, to say the least.
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I do buy into the premise that there is an anti-Tennessee bias across national media. I watched the 96 Citrus Bowl last night. I had never seen it because my soaked ass was at that monsoon and Brent Musberger was practically cheering for Ohio State while calling the game. So this has been long time and persistent issue. Oh and we had absolutely no chance of beating the vaunted and storied Buckeyes with Heisman Trophy winning Eddie George. Just like no one is giving us even a snowballs chance to win this one this year.

While I agree with you that neither Hooker nor Sampson had Heistman seasons both had seasons worthy of being finalists yet there was not enough media votes for them and there was a clear lack of national attention for both (which contributes to that problem) and ifs been that way as long as I can remember. I just dont understand why it is but people do strongly dislike us. And there is clear bias against us. Maybe it’s just this color orange people don’t like?? I really don’t get why it is this way. But it’s not a figment of our imaginations.
 
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LegionnaireOfTheMiserable said:
Hooker - got hurt, last action was in a blowout loss that knocked us out of contention

Sampson - objectively had a great year but not the greatest in college football or even at his position.


I don’t buy in to the “Everyone hates us and the world is out to get us” narrative that so many here cling to like it’s necessary for their survival. However, we are the all time leader in wins for any program without a Heisman, and we also have the most 2nd place finishes. Those second place finishes were to the only winner to never play pro sports, the only winner from a losing team, a guy who opted for the NBA over the NFL, and the only primarily defensive player to ever win it. It is odd, to say the least.
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So you’re saying the Mountain West is equal to the SEC? Speaking of narratives You seem to always find ways to find fault with anything Tennessee. So who’s your team?
 
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Both of the last 2 running backs to win it, Kerryon Johnson and Sampson were not Heisman finalists. That position has been substantially devalued since yesteryear. Hooker getting hurt, and also not performing well on his biggest stage against Georgia is what hurt his Heisman chances.
 
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