The Truth On Jones Being Fired

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Historically the line of demarcation for coaches getting fired from UT is posting a 5-7 or worse season and not going to a bowl game.

The general assumption is that LSU is going to handle us easily. I don't think anyone is expecting us to win that game. That leaves Missouri and Vanderbilt. If Butch somehow manages to win both of those games there is an actual slim chance he keeps his job. He will have won 6 games and made it to a post season bowl game.

Personally, I think the negativity has gotten too loud for him to stay. I'd be surprised if the necessary conversations aren't already taking place to get him out of here, possibly coaching somewhere else.
 
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CBJ is gone even if he wins out. JMO.

The situation is irreparable at this point.
 
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Coug said:
Historically the line of demarcation for coaches getting fired from UT is posting a 5-7 or worse season and not going to a bowl game.

The general assumption is that LSU is going to handle us easily. I don't think anyone is expecting us to win that game. That leaves Missouri and Vanderbilt. If Butch somehow manages to win both of those games there is an actual slim chance he keeps his job. He will have won 6 games and made it to a post season bowl game.

Personally, I think the negativity has gotten too loud for him to stay. I'd be surprised if the necessary conversations aren't already taking place to get him out of here, possibly coaching somewhere else.
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Given the effort on the recruiting trail the past 4-6 weeks, Butch knows he's gone. There's no scenario at 6-6 where he is back next year.
 
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Butch is cooked. He was on shaky ground coming into this season, this season has been a disaster, and the 2018 recruiting class is crumbling. He has no chance to remain after this season.
 
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Coug said:
Historically the line of demarcation for coaches getting fired from UT is posting a 5-7 or worse season and not going to a bowl game.

The general assumption is that LSU is going to handle us easily. I don't think anyone is expecting us to win that game. That leaves Missouri and Vanderbilt. If Butch somehow manages to win both of those games there is an actual slim chance he keeps his job. He will have won 6 games and made it to a post season bowl game.

Personally, I think the negativity has gotten too loud for him to stay. I'd be surprised if the necessary conversations aren't already taking place to get him out of here, possibly coaching somewhere else.
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He doesn't want to be at UT. UT doesn't want him to be at UT. When both parties agree on a situation it comes down to money. And timing.
 
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rjd970 said:
CBJ is gone even if he wins out. JMO.

The situation is irreparable at this point.
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The vitriol is rampant but at the end of the day it's the administration that decides. I don't see him coaching next year(that's merely a personal opinion) but I'm just pointing out the possibility of him staying.
 
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Coug said:
Historically the line of demarcation for coaches getting fired from UT is posting a 5-7 or worse season and not going to a bowl game.

The general assumption is that LSU is going to handle us easily. I don't think anyone is expecting us to win that game. That leaves Missouri and Vanderbilt. If Butch somehow manages to win both of those games there is an actual slim chance he keeps his job. He will have won 6 games and made it to a post season bowl game.

Personally, I think the negativity has gotten too loud for him to stay. I'd be surprised if the necessary conversations aren't already taking place to get him out of here, possibly coaching somewhere else.
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The goal of Tennessee football is to compete for a Conference Championship. We were non-competitive and blown out of the stadium by Championship caliber SEC teams. We are 0-5 in Conference play, and could end up 0-7. At best, we would be 2-5 in SEC play with wins over non-conference, cupcake teams. This is unacceptable by the administration, fans and Athletic Director.
 
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The vitriol is rampant but at the end of the day it's the administration that decides. I don't see him coaching next year(that's merely a personal opinion) but I'm just pointing out the possibility of him staying.
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I would agree with you if we hadn't already lost to South Carolina and Kentucky. I think the admin internally wrote him off after South Carolina, and I expected him to be fired immediately after Kentucky. Those are unacceptable losses and we aren't even talking about the Florida loss or the Georgia/Alabama blowouts yet. Combine all that with how we finished last year and I'm not exactly sure why he's still here.
 
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6-6 is not going to change the fact that he is extremely lame duck at this point. Recruiting is dead until some long term resolution to the coaching situation occurs. Jones will not be receiving any extension even at 7-5, so he's gone after season. Should he be? Only if one thinks there is a better option available. I am completely skeptical on that pojnt, and I gave up legacy tickets after Vandy in 2013, so safe to say I am no Jones fan.
 
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ha I'm catching on now. I knew when I clicked on it that this thread would be anything but "the truth on Jones being fired".
 
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Evergrenevol said:
The goal of Tennessee football is to compete for a Conference Championship. We were non-competitive and blown out of the stadium by Championship caliber SEC teams. We are 0-5 in Conference play, and could end up 0-7. At best, we would be 2-5 in SEC play with wins over non-conference, cupcake teams. This is unacceptable by the administration, fans and Athletic Director.
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Why do people say crap like that like that's a special thing only at Tennessee? the goal of any football program is that at least. Reality is, only one team can do that each year. No matter how good or bad you are if another team is better you don't win.

We didn't win it all so we suck is a silly way to look at life.Sometimes its not your year. That does not really apply in this situation but one has to have a non binary way to look at this stuff. Has the team had a bad year.. yup. Was it unexpected? Nope. Is everything wrong in UT football the fault of CBJ? no. The problems with our program are systemic and in my opinion until they get fixed no matter who is our coach they continue until the root causes are taken care of.

My outlook is this. Coach does have to shoulder a good amount of the blame. Pulling random numbers from my arse 70%. But lets be real He has done a good job up till now if you look at where he started and what he is up against. Until our fans and administration get it in their heads that first we have to get to competing consistently and CBJ has done that consistently even this year. Look at his record (post 2013) he does not get blown out often and when he does its against playoff caliber teams. Most of our losses the past few years have either close or by really good teams.

I can say one thing with conviction. UT games during CBJ's career have been mostly exciting even if we don't always come out on top. We are normally in most games until the end. I see that asd a good sign. But sadly it looks like we as fans don't have the patience to let the guy turn it around and maybe the pressure is wearing on him.

I don't think CBJ will be the coach next year. Should he get a year to turn it around? I think so. But I don't think it can happen at this juncture right or wrong. That being said if he is fired before the season is over that's about the dumbest move we could possibly make unless they have an immediate hire to bring in. Even then I'd wait.
 
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