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Ohio Vol said:
I think this is oversimplified a bit. Munoz could get by with being a bit slower than I'd like at LT because his technique was terrific. Unfortunately his last two years saw a marked decline in caliber of play.

I'd still take Munoz now (four years after his last game) than Josh Tucker in his prime.
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If his technique was so good, then the only explanations for his pathetic play are lack of talent, lack of guts, or both.
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#27
hatvol96 said:
Who hired Adkins?
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The problem wasn't hiring him to begin with, it's keeping him year after year. Then again, somehow Adkins has escaped criticism from everyone but me until about two weeks ago.

I don't believe there's such a shortage of qualified coaches out there that would explain it. As I've said before, I'll take over and do it cheaper too.
 
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hatvol96 said:
If his technique was so good, then the only explanations for his pathetic play are lack of talent, lack of guts, or both.
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You and I must have been watching some very different games during those first couple of years then. 2003 and 2004 I wouldn't have any use for him, but before that I sure would.
 
#29
#29
Ohio Vol said:
You and I must have been watching some very different games during those first couple of years then. 2003 and 2004 I wouldn't have any use for him, but before that I sure would.
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Yeah, he was awesome against the David Pollacks of the world. He was just another overhyped stiff living off daddy's name. There's a reason he didn't get a sniff in the pros. He was lousy.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, he was awesome against the David Pollacks of the world. He was just another overhyped stiff living off daddy's name. There's a reason he didn't get a sniff in the pros. He was lousy.
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Or maybe the NFL doctors looked at the left shoulder and said, "There's no way this will heal properly, so I don't think a draft pick should be used on him."

Living off daddy's name works in college admissions and in hiring/promoting practices. In the week-to-week life and death existence that is college football, there's no way that someone would start a subpar player over a superior one simply because of genetics.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Or maybe the NFL doctors looked at the left shoulder and said, "There's no way this will heal properly, so I don't think a draft pick should be used on him."

Living off daddy's name works in college admissions and in hiring/promoting practices. In the week-to-week life and death existence that is college football, there's no way that someone would start a subpar player over a superior one simply because of genetics.
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Yeah, Robert Peace started on merit.
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#32
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Ohio Vol said:
Or maybe the NFL doctors looked at the left shoulder and said, "There's no way this will heal properly, so I don't think a draft pick should be used on him."
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Didn't realize a rule had been instituted making being drafted a prerequisite for playing in the NFL. Someone needs to call for an Arizona forfeit today because they used an undrafted QB.
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hatvol96 said:
Yeah, Robert Peace started on merit.
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Who in that lineup would have started over him? The only linebackers I can think of that didn't start in '03 were Ovince Saint-Preux and Jon Poe. I'm probably missing one or two, but I don't remember there being a backup that was being held back that would have been an improvement.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Who in that lineup would have started over him? The only linebackers I can think of that didn't start in '03 were Ovince Saint-Preux and Jon Poe. I'm probably missing one or two, but I don't remember there being a backup that was being held back that would have been an improvement.
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Playing a man short would have been an improvement.
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hatvol96 said:
Didn't realize a rule had been instituted making being drafted a prerequisite for playing in the NFL. Someone needs to call for an Arizona forfeit today because they used an undrafted QB.
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If memory serves me right, Munoz decided after not being drafted that he wouldn't sign as a free agent anywhere, thus ending his career.
 
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#36
hatvol96 said:
Playing a man short would have been an improvement.
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I guess Daniel Brooks could have gone out there. I don't know that he could have evaded arrest long enough to get a play or two in, but he could have tried.
 
#37
#37
Ohio Vol said:
If memory serves me right, Munoz decided after not being drafted that he wouldn't sign as a free agent anywhere, thus ending his career.
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Further proving he didn't have the passion for football to be a decent player.
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#38
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Ohio Vol said:
If memory serves me right, Munoz decided after not being drafted that he wouldn't sign as a free agent anywhere, thus ending his career.
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"My daddy was a Hall of Famer. How dare you not draft me? I'll just move back to Cincinnati and continue to live off daddy's name. Take that, NFL."
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hatvol96 said:
Further proving he didn't have the passion for football to be a decent player.
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One has nothing to do with the other. There are probably as many unmotivated top-level players as there are highly-motivated career backups in the world of football.

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"My daddy was a Hall of Famer. How dare you not draft me? I'll just move back to Cincinnati and continue to live off daddy's name. Take that, NFL."
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Since neither you nor I were there, it's really pointless to speculate about what was said or done.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
Since neither you nor I were there, it's really pointless to speculate about what was said or done.
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It doesn't require speculation. The facts speak for themselves. He wasn't drafted. He decided he wouldn't try to actually earn his spot on a roster. That's all I need.
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hatvol96 said:
It doesn't require speculation. The facts speak for themselves. He wasn't drafted. He decided he wouldn't try to actually earn his spot on a roster. That's all I need.
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Quinn Pitcock was a pretty good defensive tackle in college (all-conference, All-American) who decided around the time that he was drafted that he didn't have a great passion for pro football, so he played one year and then retired.

Of course anything with Munoz is speculative. The manner in which he decided to or didn't decide to pursue a professional career doesn't retroactively impair his passion for football back into college. If I get a bachelor's degree and decline to pursue a master's, does that mean that I never had a passion for education and knowledge?
 
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#43
I actually think Clawson's O-line schemes are responsible for what we see today. Last year we could run the ball with the same offensive line, this year we can't. Clawson's scheme is the only thing different, you tell me where the problem is?
 
#44
#44
I don't think that Clawson can be excused entirely in this whole blame game.....yes our rushing yards were better last year.

However I still cannot think of a time in the last four years that we have lined up on 3rd and 3 or less and had the viable option of running the football. It has been a long time since we have knocked opponents off the ball consistently.
 
#45
#45
KB5252 said:
I actually think Clawson's O-line schemes are responsible for what we see today. Last year we could run the ball with the same offensive line, this year we can't. Clawson's scheme is the only thing different, you tell me where the problem is?
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Last year we had an effective short passing game. This year we don't. Clawson isn't the only change that happened from last year to this one.
 
#46
#46
Ohio Vol said:
That actually makes a good deal of sense.

The idea is that a quarterback who can't find a receiver quickly will usually check down to a running back, who will be flaring out or getting a little bit past the LOS. Bringing heat from that area will both pressure the QB into thinking there's more men than there are and also put the LB in prime position to get a batted pass, a turnover, or at least a quick tackle.
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I'll give you that IF the QBs hot route happened to go to the same side of the field, it would be effective at disrupting it. But IF it's not, you have a guy in the middle of nowhere
 
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