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CICEROMESSIAH

CICEROMESSIAH

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That our personell is more finesse than it is power. Yet our schemes dont change with the times. weve been living a lie for the past 5-6 years. we are no longer the bully that can beat u up at will. the problem with tennessee right now is the overall mindset from the coach down. With all of the talent(most of it young) on this team, i see some form of an "open" attack. quick hitters to creer, deep posts to jones and moore. i see an agressive, open attack that utilizes the weapons we have. But we have stubborn schemes and playcalling that have us against the 8ball. Its on both sides of the field. we have the guys to have an agressive ballhawking defense as well. Instead of this bend but dont break chavis defense, we continue to think that were gonna walk all over everybody and were not utilizing our guys the right way. the bottom line is tennessee is in an identity crisis and we need to find the right guy to give this program something we can hang our hat on.
 
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I agree our athletes do not fit our system. We have alot of talent and our coaching staff has no idea how to utilize them. We need a coach who understands how the game has changed. Alot of change needs to take place in ktown to make us competitive again We also need to hire a special teams coach and maybe our kick and punt coverage won't be trash anymore.
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
That our personell is more finesse than it is power. Yet our schemes dont change with the times. weve been living a lie for the past 5-6 years. we are no longer the bully that can beat u up at will. the problem with tennessee right now is the overall mindset from the coach down. With all of the talent(most of it young) on this team, i see some form of an "open" attack. quick hitters to creer, deep posts to jones and moore. i see an agressive, open attack that utilizes the weapons we have. But we have stubborn schemes and playcalling that have us against the 8ball. Its on both sides of the field. we have the guys to have an agressive ballhawking defense as well. Instead of this bend but dont break chavis defense, we continue to think that were gonna walk all over everybody and were not utilizing our guys the right way. the bottom line is tennessee is in an identity crisis and we need to find the right guy to give this program something we can hang our hat on.
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One of the best quotes of the year.........I watched that 3rd and 8 play again, from Ga's 5 yard line, we blitzed one LB (Wilson), and dropped the other 2 LB's 12 yards deep.......what for?? we left Moreno wide open in the middle........crazy..........soft, soft, soft.........
prevent only prevents u from winning, time 4 a change....
 
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prevent only works if your winning and most of the time by a wide margin. Prevent defense doesnt really work if your losing.
 
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Our blitzes, when we freaking do it, are stupid. We'll have a delayed blitz from about 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage, trying to go around the edge? It's asinine
 
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wombat7477 said:
Our blitzes, when we freaking do it, are stupid. We'll have a delayed blitz from about 5 yards behind the line of scrimmage, trying to go around the edge? It's asinine
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That actually makes a good deal of sense.

The idea is that a quarterback who can't find a receiver quickly will usually check down to a running back, who will be flaring out or getting a little bit past the LOS. Bringing heat from that area will both pressure the QB into thinking there's more men than there are and also put the LB in prime position to get a batted pass, a turnover, or at least a quick tackle.
 
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Ohio Vol...what did you think of the OL performance?

Give us your take on why they can't block anybody.
 
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Liper said:
Ohio Vol...what did you think of the OL performance?

Give us your take on why they can't block anybody.
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I can't even call it "technique", because that would suggest that something is being taught.

Offensive line play usually comes down to simple biomechanics. Failure to teach that particular skill set (and yes, it is a skill set) will result in a regression into "what comes naturally". Unfortunately, like closing your eyes while breaking down to make a tackle, it's a habit that must be destroyed with something much better taught in its place.

Most linemen that come into college were never taught how to use their feet, how to use their hands, how to use their legs, and so on. The reason is that most were able to simply use their strength to power over 5'7", 160-pound defensive players in high school. So a good college team must have a line coach that is absolutely committed to the most basic fundamentals of line play, and it must be reinforced pretty much every practice. That's an absolute.

It hasn't happened, and with Adkins around it will never happen. I've been on the guy's case since 2003, and have yet to be proven wrong. When Cutcliffe's offense last year had to be built around "Your guys can't hold a pass block for a five-step drop", something is incredibly wrong.

I have a kid at an NAIA school that I would take over any current UT lineman and 85% of those in D1-A. He's got off-the-charts athletic ability (think Orlando Pace, only quicker, and I'm not exaggerating) and the willingness to learn. If he were at UT with a good line coach, he'd be an All-American and an Outland Trophy winner. If were at UT with Adkins, he'd never start and if he did, I'd be more inclined to slap Adkins for destroying someone with that type of natural ability.
 
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Don't you think it's strange that Fulmer doesn't see this...or Clawson?

Also, something is amiss in this whole thing. Clawson has been successful at every other place he's been, he has the ovewrwhelming endorsement of anyone who has ever been asked about him, and all of the sudden he can't put together an offense that can tie its shoes? Something doesn't sound right about this; b/c football is football and just being in the SEC doesn't change basic football. What say you, being a coach?
 
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CICEROMESSIAH said:
That our personell is more finesse than it is power. Yet our schemes dont change with the times. weve been living a lie for the past 5-6 years. we are no longer the bully that can beat u up at will. the problem with tennessee right now is the overall mindset from the coach down. With all of the talent(most of it young) on this team, i see some form of an "open" attack. quick hitters to creer, deep posts to jones and moore. i see an agressive, open attack that utilizes the weapons we have. But we have stubborn schemes and playcalling that have us against the 8ball. Its on both sides of the field. we have the guys to have an agressive ballhawking defense as well. Instead of this bend but dont break chavis defense, we continue to think that were gonna walk all over everybody and were not utilizing our guys the right way. the bottom line is tennessee is in an identity crisis and we need to find the right guy to give this program something we can hang our hat on.
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Except that we have an O-line lifting world-class weight in the off-season. If anything, I think our trenches are full of big, slow, fat slugs. "Finesse," no.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Methinks that Clawson is handcuffed by Fulmer and a stable of inept QBs.
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That may be true. My decade long beef has been with (1) the offensive line and (2) the inability of offense to get our WRs open or teach them how.

Frankly, i think Fulmer is a non-entity for our team. I think he recruits, organizes, and tries to keep them together. Other than that, he doesn't seem to really have any idea why something works or why it doesn't. That's why he is always reacting to yesterday's problem.
 
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kiddiedoc said:
Or, not reacting to problems of the last 8-9 years.
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Yep. Like answering the issue of the decline since '99 by saying 'we've won a lot of games', 'i've got a lot of equity', or 'we didn't forget how to coach' as if those bland cliches have anything to do with why your program is declining.

2002-2003 should have been all he needed for a serious revamp. Instead it took a 5-6 season to do it; and even then he called it 'the perfect storm' and has since retrofit a 'quarterback controversy' to explain it.

He just seems delusionally arrogant to me.
 
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Liper said:
Don't you think it's strange that Fulmer doesn't see this...or Clawson?

Also, something is amiss in this whole thing. Clawson has been successful at every other place he's been, he has the ovewrwhelming endorsement of anyone who has ever been asked about him, and all of the sudden he can't put together an offense that can tie its shoes? Something doesn't sound right about this; b/c football is football and just being in the SEC doesn't change basic football. What say you, being a coach?
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I couldn't tell you. Coaches run the gamut as far as how involved they want to get with particular positions. Some micromanage their assistants, what gets taught, and how it gets taught. Others back off and let the assistants handle everything related to their position group.

The underlying problem to an inept offensive team could be a variety of things. I've seen ones with confounding terminology on a good scheme, excessively long play names and numbers, too many plays being implemented, too many plays being added midseason, and a whole host of other issues.

If everyone's not on the same page in the coaches office, the unit will struggle. The problem in this case is, how on earth would you go about junking an entire offensive scheme in midseason to satisfy the fact that there's an offensive line coach that, quite simply, has overseen a unit year in and year out that can't really do much of anything out there? How did Michael Munoz regress from a future All-American to an undrafted player? Why did Rob Smith leave early, basically saying he didn't care if he was drafted because he was only getting worse at UT? Why have all of these highly-recruited players with eye-popping strength been unable to extract a defensive player off the line?

I'm not pointing the finger at Fulmer, I'm pointing it at Adkins.
 
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Ohio Vol, you've said Adkins has sucked since 2003, but he's only been coaching the OL since 2006. Are you saying Jimmy Ray Stephens also sucked, or that Atkins sucked as TE coach, or both?
 
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kptvol said:
Ohio Vol, you've said Adkins has sucked since 2003, but he's only been coaching the OL since 2006. Are you saying Jimmy Ray Stephens also sucked, or that Atkins sucked as TE coach, or both?
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Sorry, I had three windows open and was getting my years mixed up.

I've never liked Adkins on the offensive side of the ball, and the line hasn't looked good since 2003. I liked Scott Wells and that's pretty much it. Sears could have been a LOT better than what he was; we're talking Cosey Coleman level or better.
 
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I don't remember hearing Rob Smith say that, but my memory tends to get even worse late at night. I do remember him struggling. If it's true (and I'm not doubting it is) then the perception that the coaches are kind of just coasting through seems a bit stronger. I'm not there, I have no idea what goes on, but if this is going on, then it's a perfect example of the problems with this staff.

Ohio or anyone else, have there been any other players who have stated anything similar to that?
 
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What i dont understand is why Foster still plays? i know this has been brought up and up and up, i think he wants to be on Dancing with the Stars more than he wants to play football. It makes me insane to sit him watch and play with himself behind the line after he gets the hand-off. VreeeK!!
 
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Michael Munoz was an All American on his father's name. He was slow, soft, and passive. The only thing he did was make David Pollack a bunch of money.
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Ohio Vol said:
I couldn't tell you. Coaches run the gamut as far as how involved they want to get with particular positions. Some micromanage their assistants, what gets taught, and how it gets taught. Others back off and let the assistants handle everything related to their position group.

The underlying problem to an inept offensive team could be a variety of things. I've seen ones with confounding terminology on a good scheme, excessively long play names and numbers, too many plays being implemented, too many plays being added midseason, and a whole host of other issues.

If everyone's not on the same page in the coaches office, the unit will struggle. The problem in this case is, how on earth would you go about junking an entire offensive scheme in midseason to satisfy the fact that there's an offensive line coach that, quite simply, has overseen a unit year in and year out that can't really do much of anything out there? How did Michael Munoz regress from a future All-American to an undrafted player? Why did Rob Smith leave early, basically saying he didn't care if he was drafted because he was only getting worse at UT? Why have all of these highly-recruited players with eye-popping strength been unable to extract a defensive player off the line?

I'm not pointing the finger at Fulmer, I'm pointing it at Adkins.
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Who hired Adkins?
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hatvol96 said:
Michael Munoz was an All American on his father's name. He was slow, soft, and passive. The only thing he did was make David Pollack a bunch of money.
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I think this is oversimplified a bit. Munoz could get by with being a bit slower than I'd like at LT because his technique was terrific. Unfortunately his last two years saw a marked decline in caliber of play.

I'd still take Munoz now (four years after his last game) than Josh Tucker in his prime.
 
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