The reason we didn't repeat in 1999.

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08Vol said:
It's a respect thing. We bash the players in 99 for focusing on the NFL instead of winning but not the coach who left before the biggest game in recent UT history. If we make the playoffs this year and Shoop leaves before the 1st game to take a head coaching gig should fans be upset? What if Barnett tweaks his ankle in SEC championship and decides to sit out the playoffs because he doesn't want to hurt his draft stock by potentially aggravating it further? In both scenarios these guys would be roasted on here, win or lose. Double standard for Cut I guess
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Yeah...Vol fans love Cut...he earned it.
 
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The Artful Dodger said:
I was at that game with my parents. Saw and heard things that an 11 year-old should never hear. Still can't believe we ran the ball to Brown's side on fourth and a looooooong two, even though it was Jamal Lewis that was doing the running.
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I was at that game. Sorry if I taught you some new words
 
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KoachKrab127 said:
Getting severely outcoached at Florida and defensive breakdowns against Arkansas along with Tee throwing a terrible pick 6. Didn't matter, because we weren't a top 5 team that year. The beat down Nebraska gave us in the bowl game proved it. Either Va Tech or FSU would've killed us that year.
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In all fairness, that team would have preferred to had a root canal than play in a meaningless bowl game that season.....Neb was fired up to play and Tennessee didn't want to be there at all. Not a true reflection of the actual talent on the field.
 
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I could be wrong--but I believe that Brown was the left-side DE for florida--and as I recall we ran Lewis twice to OUR left (away from Brown's side) on our last possession. There are times when you need some guts on offense to win a game--and we almost never have guts. Fulmer was very conservative--stupidly so many times--and Jones is pretty much exactly the same. Conservative play calling that doesn't get first downs at crunch time--and then we're punting--or in the case of this florida game, just losing.

RE Cut and the national title game: I too found it hard to believe that the guy wouldn't coach in the national championship game. I respect the guy hugely--all Vol fans do--but that was the craziest damn decision I've ever heard of. I mean, I know a head coaching gig is important to you--but c'mon: He surely knew that he was unlikely to get the opportunity again--not with ole miss anyway!
 
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08Vol said:
It's a respect thing. We bash the players in 99 for focusing on the NFL instead of winning but not the coach who left before the biggest game in recent UT history. If we make the playoffs this year and Shoop leaves before the 1st game to take a head coaching gig should fans be upset? What if Barnett tweaks his ankle in SEC championship and decides to sit out the playoffs because he doesn't want to hurt his draft stock by potentially aggravating it further? In both scenarios these guys would be roasted on here, win or lose. Double standard for Cut I guess
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I know for a fact that Coach Cut loves the University of Tennessee, the people of East Tennessee and wanted to be the HFC coach here and Mike Hamilton got in the way of that (surprise, surprise). So yes I have do have a different standard for Coach Cut.
 
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wmcovol said:
In all fairness, that team would have preferred to had a root canal than play in a meaningless bowl game that season.....Neb was fired up to play and Tennessee didn't want to be there at all. Not a true reflection of the actual talent on the field.
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Isn't the Fiesta bowl a pretty meaningful one?
 
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wmcovol said:
In all fairness, that team would have preferred to had a root canal than play in a meaningless bowl game that season.....Neb was fired up to play and Tennessee didn't want to be there at all. Not a true reflection of the actual talent on the field.
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We didn't match up well with them. Not after Peyton's last season and not that season. Had a knowledgeable Vols fan at my table watching with me and he kept elbowing at supposed coaching adjustments that our coaches didn't counter. That and the fact that both times they took it to us and didn't care if we cared or not, makes the talent question irrelevant. What they put on the field, beat the snot out what we put. And after the snot was spilled they graciously stuffed it back into our nostrils. A beating is a beating and we took :victory:
 
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butchna said:
Anddddd...he left...hence the use of the word "bail". Doesn't have to be a nefarious thing. :wink2:
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It's semantics, you're right but the term "bail" has a connotation that suggests he left suddenly, without notice. Like he took off in the middle of the night and the Duke program woke up to discover he was gone.
 
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I hate the off season. People worry too much and bring up old crap just to be able to post....
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
It's semantics, you're right but the term "bail" has a connotation that suggests he left suddenly, without notice. Like he took off in the middle of the night and the Duke program woke up to discover he was gone.
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Imma use bail...like the way it sounds...like the way it make people react even better. :)
 
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08Vol said:
It's a respect thing. We bash the players in 99 for focusing on the NFL instead of winning but not the coach who left before the biggest game in recent UT history. If we make the playoffs this year and Shoop leaves before the 1st game to take a head coaching gig should fans be upset? What if Barnett tweaks his ankle in SEC championship and decides to sit out the playoffs because he doesn't want to hurt his draft stock by potentially aggravating it further? In both scenarios these guys would be roasted on here, win or lose. Double standard for Cut I guess
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Pretty sure that coaching Ole Miss' bowl game in 98 was a condition of his contract. Cut wanted to be a head coach. Ole Miss was his best offer. He had no leverage to negotiate those kinds of terms. I don't blame him for doing what he thought was best for him and his family/career and no, it's not a double standard. I'm actually one of the (very) few Vol fans who held no ill will against Kiffin for leaving for Southern Cal. It was an opportunity he wanted and it fell in his lap. Yeah it sucked for us considering the situation it put us in but like Cut, Kiffin made a business decision for what he thought was best for him and his family/career. Yet everyone wanted to take it personal, as if he did it maliciously because he wanted to hurt the program.
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
Pretty sure that coaching Ole Miss' bowl game in 98 was a condition of his contract. Cut wanted to be a head coach. Ole Miss was his best offer. He had no leverage to negotiate those kinds of terms. I don't blame him for doing what he thought was best for him and his family/career and no, it's not a double standard. I'm actually one of the (very) few Vol fans who held no ill will against Kiffin for leaving for Southern Cal. It was an opportunity he wanted and it fell in his lap. Yeah it sucked for us considering the situation it put us in but like Cut, Kiffin made a business decision for what he thought was best for him and his family/career. Yet everyone wanted to take it personal, as if he did it maliciously because he wanted to hurt the program.
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Ditto on most all of that. On Kiffin, I understood but didn't cotton to him and Ogre trying to contact the EEs and ask them not to enroll...low class. And the "yellow uniform" comment was intended to inflame. I wished failure on him for that, the same as I did for Chris Simms implying his flip to Texas was due to racial divisiveness at Tennessee. Prefer without besmirch shouldn't be too difficult, but the low rent amongst us can't seem to resist.
 
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butchna said:
Ditto on most all of that. On Kiffin, I understood but didn't cotton to him and Ogre trying to contact the EEs and ask them not to enroll...low class. And the "yellow uniform" comment was intended to inflame. I wished failure on him for that, the same as I did for Chris Simms implying his flip to Texas was due to racial divisiveness at Tennessee. Prefer without besmirch shouldn't be too difficult, but the low rent amongst us can't seem to resist.
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??? Wow I must have slept through that one. When did he say that?
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
??? Wow I must have slept through that one. When did he say that?
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Forgot the context, but he was asked about recruiting Tennessee commits to USC and responded (paraphrasing) "they commit to play for coaches...not those yellow uniforms".
 
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orangebloodgmc said:
Revisionist history? I believe Tee set a record for consecutive completions. His wheels? I never had qualms when he took off running, and, in fact, was almost always glad to see that happen. :question:
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Tee Martin was a gamer who hit some huge deep balls, but he clearly was not an elite or even above average passer. He was basically a 50% passer aside from one game in his career.

And, yes, I said he was athletic. But he didn't run nearly as much as people think he did.
 
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