The Process

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Having some familiarity with the term “process,” at least from an organizational perspective, I am very appreciative that Butch Jones has a process to achieve a clear outcome, winning championships again. I understand that any enterprise carried out effectively requires a process, whether explicit to all or only understood in total by the leader of the enterprise, in this case Butch Jones. I understand that every good process includes steps and tasks not necessarily related to the desired outcome except in the context of the process, having the players sprint to the other end of the field at the end of a quarter for example. Finally, I appreciate that some measure of patience is required to carry out an effective process, and my fondness of the Johnny Majors era is proof of the patience I have.

However, I also understand from experience that there is a point in every process at which the participants need to see output that more clearly leads to the desired outcome. Otherwise, the participants lose faith in the process, patience fails, and the desired outcome becomes less achievable, not more as the process was intended. I can’t speak for anyone but myself as to when that point in Butch Jones’ process was or will be reached, but when our team gave up a 9-0 lead in the fourth quarter of the Florida game, it didn’t matter to me that they sprinted to the other end of the field to do it.

I know Butch, his staff, and team are trying to ignore “clutter” such as this thread, but from one who is not so young any more, we need some wins.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
So how many wins were you projecting before the season started?
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I said five, hoping for six.

P. S. I also called FL an opportunity game, meaning it could have made the difference between five and six wins. I was right about it being an opportunity game.
 
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Volru said:
Having some familiarity with the term “process,” at least from an organizational perspective, I am very appreciative that Butch Jones has a process to achieve a clear outcome, winning championships again. I understand that any enterprise carried out effectively requires a process, whether explicit to all or only understood in total by the leader of the enterprise, in this case Butch Jones. I understand that every good process includes steps and tasks not necessarily related to the desired outcome except in the context of the process, having the players sprint to the other end of the field at the end of a quarter for example. Finally, I appreciate that some measure of patience is required to carry out an effective process, and my fondness of the Johnny Majors era is proof of the patience I have.

However, I also understand from experience that there is a point in every process at which the participants need to see output that more clearly leads to the desired outcome. Otherwise, the participants lose faith in the process, patience fails, and the desired outcome becomes less achievable, not more as the process was intended. I can’t speak for anyone but myself as to when that point in Butch Jones’ process was or will be reached, but when our team gave up a 9-0 lead in the fourth quarter of the Florida game, it didn’t matter to me that they sprinted to the other end of the field to do it.

I know Butch, his staff, and team are trying to ignore “clutter” such as this thread, but from one who is not so young any more, we need some wins.
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Well said, especially the part about the team sprinting at the end of the quarter not mattering in the midst of beginning to forfeit a 9 pt lead vs Florida. Reality was the polar opposite of the symbolism intended at the moment. Not good.
 
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Volru said:
Having some familiarity with the term “process,” at least from an organizational perspective, I am very appreciative that Butch Jones has a process to achieve a clear outcome, winning championships again. I understand that any enterprise carried out effectively requires a process, whether explicit to all or only understood in total by the leader of the enterprise, in this case Butch Jones. I understand that every good process includes steps and tasks not necessarily related to the desired outcome except in the context of the process, having the players sprint to the other end of the field at the end of a quarter for example. Finally, I appreciate that some measure of patience is required to carry out an effective process, and my fondness of the Johnny Majors era is proof of the patience I have.

However, I also understand from experience that there is a point in every process at which the participants need to see output that more clearly leads to the desired outcome. Otherwise, the participants lose faith in the process, patience fails, and the desired outcome becomes less achievable, not more as the process was intended. I can’t speak for anyone but myself as to when that point in Butch Jones’ process was or will be reached, but when our team gave up a 9-0 lead in the fourth quarter of the Florida game, it didn’t matter to me that they sprinted to the other end of the field to do it.

I know Butch, his staff, and team are trying to ignore “clutter” such as this thread, but from one who is not so young any more, we need some wins.
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I'm afraid his "process" will keep encountering "potholes" ie new QB, new OL, new LB, etc etc. I'd love to get to a point where one man goes down or leaves, and another just as good slides right in.
 
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VolFan4Life87 said:
I'm afraid his "process" will keep encountering "potholes" ie new QB, new OL, new LB, etc etc. I'd love to get to a point where one man goes down or leaves, and another just as good slides right in.
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So by what "process" do we arrive at that point, successful recruiting?
 
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Well, i just don't want to go back to 'con'cess like the other two previous coaches were doing. I say we stock our team again with 3 or 4 top five recruiting classes. Then I'll offer my critique of the process. Then I can offer my opinion on what gear needs to be replaced in the machine.
 
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Volru said:
I said five, hoping for six.

P. S. I also called FL an opportunity game, meaning it could have made the difference between five and six wins. I was right about it being an opportunity game.
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So you projected 5 wins, which we should easily achieve, yet are upset at the lack of wins?
 
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MedicT said:
Yes that is why #1 Miss. State starts 3 Seniors, 2 Juniors, and ONE Sophomore on the Offensive Line.
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By comparison, 3 redshirt Juniors and two freshmen with a 4* Junior and a 4* Sophomore on the bench.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
So you projected 5 wins, which we should easily achieve, yet are upset at the lack of wins?
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Did I say I was upset? Just expressing a sense of urgency. FL was an opportunity game, and as far as the text book stuff on process, Butch himself would tell you missed opportunities are a failure of process.
 
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Volru said:
Did I say I was upset? Just expressing a sense of urgency. FL was an opportunity game, and as far as the text book stuff on process, Butch himself would tell you missed opportunities are a failure of process.
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Funny how athletic development and success parallel real life "ain't" it.
 
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Losing is a damn painful thing to watch and it rarely ever gets done gracefully.
 
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Volru said:
Having some familiarity with the term “process,” at least from an organizational perspective, I am very appreciative that Butch Jones has a process to achieve a clear outcome, winning championships again. I understand that any enterprise carried out effectively requires a process, whether explicit to all or only understood in total by the leader of the enterprise, in this case Butch Jones. I understand that every good process includes steps and tasks not necessarily related to the desired outcome except in the context of the process, having the players sprint to the other end of the field at the end of a quarter for example. Finally, I appreciate that some measure of patience is required to carry out an effective process, and my fondness of the Johnny Majors era is proof of the patience I have.

However, I also understand from experience that there is a point in every process at which the participants need to see output that more clearly leads to the desired outcome. Otherwise, the participants lose faith in the process, patience fails, and the desired outcome becomes less achievable, not more as the process was intended. I can’t speak for anyone but myself as to when that point in Butch Jones’ process was or will be reached, but when our team gave up a 9-0 lead in the fourth quarter of the Florida game, it didn’t matter to me that they sprinted to the other end of the field to do it.

I know Butch, his staff, and team are trying to ignore “clutter” such as this thread, but from one who is not so young any more, we need some wins.
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You should also know that processes usually show incremental improvements over time. They are there, however people are only focusing on the 1 improvement (wins).

Improve recruiting; check. Improve team attitude and mentality; check. Improve young player development; check. Improve Defense; check. Improve Offense; work in progress.

Wins will come, it's just that the process takes more than 1.5 years.
 
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MedicT said:
Yes that is why #1 Miss. State starts 3 Seniors, 2 Juniors, and ONE Sophomore on the Offensive Line.
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State is leaning very heavily on development.

For that matter they are leaning heavily on development across the board.
 
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