The Once and Future QB

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#76
If a man or woman leaves one job for another where he/she thinks the opportunities are better, should that man or woman be called a quitter?
 
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Volinnooga said:
If a man or woman leaves one job for another where he/she thinks the opportunities are better, should that man or woman be called a quitter?
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depends on how one defines "opportunity". in this case, it simply appears to mean playing vs. not playing. so be it.
 
#81
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hohenfelsvol said:
Depends. Are you talking about BJ?

Just kidding...
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:eek:lol::eek:lol::eek:lol:
And, it's not a job. Wearing the orange is a privilege players must earn.

Until someone posted that Cut didn't want him, I felt BJ had made a great move. But, if he is going to UTC, he basically plays for a worse team, gets a lower level education, and is now known as the AI of UT football (minus the talent).

Geez. If I were a Chattanoogan, I'd pick one of the other Vols who have made it through a challenging spring practice and use them as the city's personification. There's no need to bring the whole town down over a mediocre QB.
 
#82
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vollygirl said:
I don't think you could call this "simple" for this player.
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why not? he left in the middle of a competion for a job he was competing for. he decided in less than a week after the spring game that he wasn't going to get it, and decided to leave. it was exactly that simple.
 
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jakez4ut said:
why not? he left in the middle of a competion for a job he was competing for. he decided in less than a week after the spring game that he wasn't going to get it, and decided to leave. it was exactly that simple.
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That wasn't my point. Playing time is the whole deal for him.
 
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I believe B.J. based his decision on his O&W game performance alone. He felt like he was the best QB in that game, he proved it in front of 50,000+ fans and he should have been given the job. Well, he might have ended up winning the job this fall, if he hadn't let his ego get in the way. Kiffin said Coleman started out slow this spring but really improved. He also stated he wish he had not quit. I believe after the way B.J. finished the spring, if he would have come in this fall and actually practiced well, he could have very well won the job. Bottom line is, he didn't want to give the coaches anymore time. He felt like he was the best QB on the team and he quit. His loss, IMO. Big mistake B.J.

As far as Kiffin not wanting to name B.J. the starter because he didn't want to hurt his chances of landing a good QB this year, is absolutely ridiculous. If Coleman would have proved that he was that much better than Crompton or Stephens, he would have been the starter. But he didn't. If he would have come back this fall and was clearly the better QB of the 3, he would have started. But he didn't give that a chance either. No way, Kiffin would have refused to start a guy with 3 years eligibility left if he was clearly the best QB of the 3, just so he could get a top notch QB this year. That would be insane.
 
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tennisguy said:
I believe B.J. based his decision on his O&W game performance alone. He felt like he was the best QB in that game, he proved it in front of 50,000+ fans and he should have been given the job. Well, he might have ended up winning the job this fall, if he hadn't let his ego get in the way. Kiffin said Coleman started out slow this spring but really improved. He also stated he wish he had not quit. I believe after the way B.J. finished the spring, if he would have come in this fall and actually practiced well, he could have very well won the job. Bottom line is, he didn't want to give the coaches anymore time. He felt like he was the best QB on the team and he quit. His loss, IMO. Big mistake B.J.

As far as Kiffin not wanting to name B.J. the starter because he didn't want to hurt his chances of landing a good QB this year, is absolutely ridiculous. If Coleman would have proved that he was that much better than Crompton or Stephens, he would have been the starter. But he didn't. If he would have come back this fall and was clearly the better QB of the 3, he would have started. But he didn't give that a chance either. No way, Kiffin would have refused to start a guy with 3 years eligibility left if he was clearly the best QB of the 3, just so he could get a top notch QB this year. That would be insane.
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and it's not like Kiffin hasn't stated how he approaches incoming players and their chance to play, gvien how he competitive he wants practice to be.....any advantage BJ's departure gives this staff in landing an elite qb is a by product of this decision, it wasn't the plan.
 
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Volinnooga said:
If a man or woman leaves one job for another where he/she thinks the opportunities are better, should that man or woman be called a quitter?
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Depends strictly on why they quit. If someone has already been passed over for a promotion, dealt maturely with their boss, and finds an opportunity elsewhere then, no, you probably wouldn't call them a quitter.

If someone is told that they are still in competition for a promotion, demands an answer immediately when the boss doesn't have the info to make a decision, gets in a petty huff over having a meeting cancelled, leaves without a notice or a new job, and then goes out and runs the company down publicly.... then yeah.... that person is a quitter.

BJ could have simply said that he could not be assured of starting and believed that his opportunities were better elsewhere. He didn't do that. He blew up and threw a tantrum when he didn't get what he wanted when he wanted in the way he wanted it.
 
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rkmccoy said:
Really? I think I made it pretty clear that there is a thick ambiguity surrounding why it all went down. It's hard to be an apologist when I'm not really sure how I feel about the entire situation.

On the flip side, couldn't you argue that many fans are entirely too quick to villainize Coleman?
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Yes but I wasn't. I started out pretty middle of the road and have tilted away from BJ based on his comments and the comments of his supporters. I'm one of an apparent minority of fans that isn't inclined to blindly put faith in Kiffin or to blindly condemn him. I've tried not to do that to BJ either.

I think it was more of the straw that broke the camel's back.
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That's ridiculous. He went off emotionally and foolishly. He made a rash decision. Yes, he might have had a long build to that point but that's not a sufficient "straw" to throw your dreams away for. By the time BJ acted this way he was in pure "me" mode. It didn't matter why CLK had to reschedule... only that BJ wasn't getting what he wanted.

If you are trying to say that I believe that Kiffin kicked him off the squad, you've missed the entire point.

My point of the comparison was that you have two kinds of kids who leave the program: the Morleys and the Colemans. If the Morley-types leave, who cares? But if a kid like B.J. wants to leave, I would hope that a coaching staff would treat that a little more seriously than if a kid like Morley wanted to leave. Thus the comparison.
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You may write a little better than you read.

I didn't miss your point at all. CLK had a meeting with Morley and told him he was no longer welcome. The business was finished.

BJ never gave CLK the opportunity to finish their business. There is absolutely no indication that Kiffin didn't treat BJ's complaints with every bit of the seriousness they deserved. He met with him and agreed to review the film. He had to delay the follow up meeting.... he didn't cancel it. BJ's issues were IMPORTANT. They were NOT URGENT. Another 4 or 5 days or even 4 or 5 weeks wouldn't have hurt BJ's prospects elsewhere.

Again, BJ better learn better than to quit over something like this or he'll never hold a job as a professional in the real world. Meetings get cancelled routinely even when a subordinate has alot invested in having the meeting. That's just a tough reality he'd better get used to.
 
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#88
Guys...BJ is gone. Period. Maybe all the Chatt fans will get over this and then again maybe they will not. I believe at this point we can all spend our thoughts and energy on talking about Heaps or recruiting rumors for better player with great attitudes and work ethic unlike BJ. We do not need players with this kind of attitude period. Time to move on and not cry over spilled milk when the milk was sour anyway......Hopefully Reaves, CLK and Chaney will cooch up NS
 
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sjt18 said:
BJ never gave CLK the opportunity to finish their business. There is absolutely no indication that Kiffin didn't treat BJ's complaints with every bit of the seriousness they deserved. He met with him and agreed to review the film. He had to delay the follow up meeting.... he didn't cancel it. BJ's issues were IMPORTANT. They were NOT URGENT. Another 4 or 5 days or even 4 or 5 weeks wouldn't have hurt BJ's prospects elsewhere.
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Very well stated. It was a quick trigger during a tenuous time for Kiffin.
 
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rkmccoy said:
My point of the comparison was that you have two kinds of kids who leave the program: the Morleys and the Colemans. If the Morley-types leave, who cares? But if a kid like B.J. wants to leave, I would hope that a coaching staff would treat that a little more seriously than if a kid like Morley wanted to leave. Thus the comparison.
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I look at it like this: If BJ Coleman wants to leave in the middle of a QB competition, then he doesn't belong here anyway.
 
#91
#91
good article/write-up

not so much of a proponent of the "well, at least look at the cloud's silver lining" when it comes to QBs, but still nicely done
 
#92
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BigHenry07 said:
I look at it like this: If BJ Coleman wants to leave in the middle of a QB competition, then he doesn't belong here anyway.
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If he left, odds are that the HC or one of the other coaches pretty much told him he wasn't going to win it at this point, regardless
 
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TrueOrange said:
If he left, odds are that the HC or one of the other coaches pretty much told him he wasn't going to win it at this point, regardless
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ummmm....pretty sure he left.....I mean he quit. The HC had not named a starter yet....if the HC had is mind made up...JC would have been name the starter after Spring....
 
#94
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TrueOrange said:
If he left, odds are that the HC or one of the other coaches pretty much told him he wasn't going to win it at this point, regardless
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That may be true. Or the coaches may have told him that they need more than spring practice to decide on a qb, but JC would keep getting the most reps with the first team. We just don't know.
 
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TrueOrange said:
If he left, odds are that the HC or one of the other coaches pretty much told him he wasn't going to win it at this point, regardless
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This very well could be, but based on Kiffin's comments of how Coleman started the spring slow but really came on at the end, tells me that he still had a shot to prove himself come September. I think Coleman felt like he had done enough and should have been named starter after spring. When that didn't happen he decided he was tired of waiting and hit the road. That might not be the case, but if it is, he possibly made a big mistake.
 
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