The official Spencer Tilman is an ahole thread

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Did anybody just hear that Jermaine Jackson look alike Spencer Tillman just take a shot at Phillip Fulmer?

They were showing a highlight where Indiana went into a Power I on 4th and Goal and got stuffed and he said, "That looks like a Phillip Fulmer call". :dunno: :finger:
 
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I split this off into a new topic.

That absolutely burns me up. I mean what a freaking diss. We need to find that idiot's email address because that was friggin uncalled for.

Punk.
 
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Freak did you think that was as out of left field as I did? I mean, we're not even playing this week and shouldn't even be on his mind. I'm not one to say analysts have a bias, but that was a no class, cheap shot.

 
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Originally posted by GAVol@Nov 13, 2004 5:25 PM
Freak did you think that was as out of left field as I did? I mean, we're not even playing this week and shouldn't even be on his mind. I'm not one to say analysts have a bias, but that was a no class, cheap shot.
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It was a bomb out of no where. And it really pisses me off because they were saying what a bad call that it was and how it took the back to long to get to the line of scrimmage. Then it comes out with "it looked like a Phillip Fulmer" call. That's unbelievable. I am really pissed about this. That was just wrong.
 
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well it does mean 1 thing. That the on camera retards that show the vols no respect are definately aware that there is an injustice going on, theyre obviously reading the feedback on emails. I sit back and wonder where does this distaste for the vols come from? Why is it chic and sexy for them to dump on the big orange? Does the sypathy influence for alabama run that far? Is it the 80%+ winning percentage? Has it become the weapon of choice of big sports media to trash the team that sends in the most pissed off emails cause that equals higher ratings?
 
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The commemt made me laugh because we do stupid stuff like that. It also tells me that we was on his mind and to all the media that don't like us :moon2: :furious3:
 
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That is the sad part...none of us are really arguing that it's not true, just that we don't like it.
 
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It was a low-blow comment. Even if he had said it commentating DURING a Vols game, It would still be crap.
 
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Tillman's response:

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First I applaud you for your passion. More people should be as passionate; only about the things that really matter in life.

For what it's worth, I actually like Phillip Fulmer. I like Randy Sanders also. Heres the rub. When I think of being "the best that you can be," we shouldn't give points for underachieving: that includes myself. At no point should one stop seeking to become better at whatever it is he does. I think I'm getting better as a broadcaster, and I would hope that you are better at whatever it is you do than you were last year.

The problem with Phillip is he, and by extention his staff, could be so much better if he trusted outside influences, particularly on the offensive side of the ball.

Few of us reach our full potential with only ourselves to emulate. We all need outside help. Case in point. This past off-season, Norm Chow, the offensive coordinator at USC, spent about two weeks in St. Louis with Coach Martz figuring out creative ways to get the ball to the members of that three headed monster out there in their backfield. I know because I was there for about a week. My former teammate with Houston, Todd McNair is their running backs coach; he game me a great explanation of the value netted as a result.

Phillip's strength is recruiting. He lives and breathes it. As such, I have no problem with that however, every CEO/Coach knows he/she needs to surround themselves with people who have strengths that complement their weaknesses. That doesn't seem to exist at UT. That is the head coaches responsibility to first recognize the need and then to fill it. So, in the end, it really doesn't matter why he won't embrace the notion of developing a more sophisticated scheme, the fact is they don't have or choose not to implement one. And as an analyst, my job is to say what I see. And what I see is an early eighties approach offensively.

They still manage to win because they get better talent. Incidentally, that talent is only partially exploited for it's full value. Without thinking very hard Jason Witten comes to mind. A basic tenant of defense (distribution of assignment based on personnel) gives UT an undecided advantage in every game they play during the years Jason played. He was a man among boys but you'd hardly know it by the way they chose to utilized him. Now they either consciously decided not to exploit his gifts or were not able to. I'll never say that on television, because I'm not at practice every day, and what is more, there are families connected to those coaches and their jobs. What I will say is what I see. So in the end, I think my comments are fair. They're never personal like the venom some of the other volunteer faithful have chosen to spew. That's OK though. That's the beautiful thing about living in this country. People have the right to say what they believe.

I'll end with this...Phillip made a comment back in 2001...He said that tradition doesn't graduate." In one regard, he's right on. On another front I'll have to strongly disagree. Players play the game. Tradition only augments talent. Just ask Jo Pa and the folks at Penn State. One more year of mediocrity and they are in danger of loosing an entire generation that will consider their current "Tradition" about two seconds before they sign with a program with a more recent wining record. Tradition will fall on death ears among the youth of today if you're a loosing program. Tennessee is in no danger of becoming a loser, I just wish they would take it to another level.

So, no I don't dislike Phillip Fulmer, my values don't give me room do dislike or hate anyone; especially the UT program. I suppose I'm like that teacher that wants to see the best be the best. With what they have, they could be so much more. Thats all.

I love the exchange....anytime you want to visit, please hit me with an e-mail.

Regards,

Spencer Tillman
P.S. feel free to share this with the memeber so the "O" club.....(Oran
 
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I read a statement Tillman made about a year ago if Tennessee would get a Passing minded OC they would be unstoppable . :question:
 
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Problem with Tillman is he's now trying to justify his statement... but he is ill informed while trying to make his argument.

The problem with Phillip [Fulmer] is he ... could be so much better if he trusted outside influences ... Few of us reach our full potential with only ourselves to emulate. We all need outside help. Case in point. This past off-season, Norm Chow, the offensive coordinator at USC, spent about two weeks in St. Louis with Coach Martz figuring out creative ways to get the ball to the members of that three headed monster out there in their backfield...  Without thinking very hard Jason Witten comes to mind. A basic tenant of defense (distribution of assignment based on personnel) gives UT an undecided advantage in every game they play during the years Jason played. He was a man among boys but you'd hardly know it by the way they chose to utilized him. Now they either consciously decided not to exploit his gifts or were not able to.
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The Tennessee Vols coaching staff selects an NFL team to "study" every offseason. They usually spend time with that NFL team's coaching staff trying to find ways to better the program and better utilize certain strengths. "Case in point." While Jason Witten was at Tennessee, just prior to the 2002 season, Fulmer and the coaching staff met with the Tennessee Titans staff. At the time, the Titans All-Pro TE Frank Wycheck was their leading receiver. The Vols wanted to see how to utilize Witten in the offense more. What occurred the following season was that Witten led the Vols in receiving (and set school records for a tight end) with 39 receptions for 493 yards and 5 touchdowns. I might add that this was the first time since Ken Delong in 1968 that a TE had led the Vols in receiving. It was also Witten's junior season and he left early for the NFL. Had he stayed one more season, maybe he would have reached the 'lofty goals' that Tillman had for him. I don't know what Tillman expected, but those stats looked pretty good to me for a tight end? His sophomore season was his first full season as a tight end.

Witten finished his sophomore season third on the team with 34 receptions for 418 yards (12.3 avg.) and a pair of touchdowns. The top 2 pass catchers during Witten's sophomore season were Donte Stallworth -- 49 rec for 940 yards and 10 TDs -- now with the New Orleans Saints and Kelley Washington -- 64 rec for 1080 yards and 7 TDs -- now with the Cincinnati Bengals.

Back to Witten's junior season. Also remember that that was the year that QB Casey Clausen missed the better part of 3 games and Kelley Washington declared himself 'the future'.

Just like some of the crazy posters that come in here and post crazy stuff before thinking and getting the facts straight.... Tillman needs to get his facts straight!
 
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That statement was completely empty . . . He acts like he is taking the high road in responding to the e-mail when he was the one that took an unprovoked pot shot in the first place!?!

In the end, it's just more of the same tired argument that the Fulmer bashers always use - that Fulmer only wins because of superior talent. Spurrier is a genius because he was controversial and threw the ball, but Fulmer wins just as many games and has the same number of national titles just because of dumb luck I guess.
 
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I'm just glad that we have so much "talent" that we are able to overcome all those bonehead calls and win 10 times a year. :blink:
 
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Originally posted by TitanVol@Nov 16, 2004 2:10 PM

One more year of mediocrity and they are in danger of loosing an entire generation that will consider their current "Tradition" about two seconds before they sign with a program with a more recent wining record.
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Did Spencer Tillman REALLY spell "losing" like that?

:blink:

Musta had some mascara in his eye.


:lol:
 
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Little Richard .....er Spencer Tillman wears mascara. Say it aint so. :lol:
 
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I don't have a lot of respect for CBS in general. A lot of UT fans feel that way about ESPN. I feel that CBS is much more annoying. When Spurrier was at UF all we heard from CBS was how great Spurrier was. Well, now he is gone and all we hear from CBS is how great Richt and Saben are doing. Neither is in contention for a national or SEC title this year, but the way CBS pumps them up you would think UGA is the best thing since sliced bread. I am really over CBS with Brando and Tillman. Vern Lunquist is mostly senile, and misses a lot on that goes on during games. The only analyst/broadcaster I respect on CBS is Todd Blackledge. I find him to be fair, objective, and humble as an analyst. Maybe Tillman could learn a thing or two from TB, and we could all enjoy the coverage of SEC football on CBS.

Just MY 2 cents.


Gunner

:gun:
 
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I'm not asking analysts to bow down and call CPF a god or something - just quit insulting everybody's intelligence by insinuating that a guy with a National title and an .800+ win percentage is some sort of an idiot.

People complain about internet rumors and pot shots, but network analysts aren't much different - just a bunch of guys that somebody annointed an expert spouting views for which they are never held accountable.
 
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Spurrier made alot of boneheaded calls too... but you didn't hear all the bashing you hear regarding Fulmer? My favorites were when Florida lost to Auburn... both times instead of running out the clock in the 4th quarter with a big lead... he continued passing down field trying to run up the score.... a few interceptions later and the Gators lost!

Spurrier was the coach at Florida from 1990-2001.
Florida Record: 122-27-1 (.816)
Bowl Record: 6-5 (.545)
SEC Record: 86-14 (.861)
Avg. Rank: 6.75
Top Ten: 9 times
BCS Top Ten: 4 times
National Championships: 1
SEC Championships: 6
SEC Eastern Crowns: 6
Undefeated Seasons: 0
Best Season: 12-1
Worst Season: 9-4

Phillip Fulmer is the coach at Tennessee (1992-Pres.)
Tennessee Record: 120-30-0 (.800)
Bowl Record: 6-6 (.500)
SEC Record: 79-20 (.798)
Avg. Rank: 11.58
Top Ten: 6 times
BCS Top Ten: 4 times
National Championships: 1
SEC Championships: 2
SEC Eastern Crowns: 5 (soon to be 6)
Undefeated Seasons: 1
Best Season: 13-0
Worst Season: 8-5

Interesting Stat: Spurrier is currently the only major college coach to win as many as 120 games in his first 12 seasons at one school (122-26-1 at Florida from 1990-2001). Fulmer has a 116-30 record at Tennessee from 1993-2004... his first 12 full seasons as head coach at Tennessee. (Fulmer also coached 4 games in 1992, going 4-0). Should the Vols win at Vanderbilt, vs Kentucky, vs Auburn in the SECCG, and in the bowl game, Fulmer would join Spurrier as the only major college coaches to win as many as 120 games in their first 12 full seasons at one school.
 
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But how could it be that Spurrier and Fulmer have such identical records?? Isn't Spurrier a genius and Fulmer a bumpkin? :blink:

Wonder if next week when coaches start switching jobs and leaving programs high and dry, Spencer Tillman will refer to that as a "Steve Spurrier thing to do"?

:question:



 
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Fulmer also has 4 seasons with 11 wins or more.... Spurrier had 3 such seasons.
 
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Since we're talking about conservative, "old school" offensive demeanor, would it be prudent to bring up a particular third-and-short call inside the 5 that resulted in an errant pass and interception in the end zone?

Seems like we're "damned if we do, damned if we don't." Run it up the gut and take stabs like Little Richie's, or go for the pass and get crucified for putting a freshman QB in a position to make mistakes.

I agree. Fed up with the trash talk. Check the record, bee-otch! :finger:
 
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