The official erasing of the line between college bb and the NBA

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"Under the new APR, schools are subject to scholarship penalties if student-athletes leave early and not in good academic standing. Withdrawing from school before the end of a semester can seriously impede a team's GPA and academic standing. To that end, Texas and Ohio State are taking steps to ensure freshmen Kevin Durant and Greg Oden will finish the spring semester."

It is kind of funny that the NCAA will try to hold Texas, or OSU, or Kentucky accountable for whether Durant or Oden or Morris go to class after the season is over. Exactly what is Rick Barnes supposed to do that Durant remains in good academic standing?

Tieing academic standards to scholarships is well-intended, but the methodology is wrong.
 
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What stuns me is that Morris will be playing in an NBA game this season. From an appearance in the S16 for a college team to wearing a Knicks uniform in a game a week later is just mind boggling to me.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What stuns me is that Morris will be playing in an NBA game this season. From an appearance in the S16 for a college team to wearing a Knicks uniform in a game a week later is just mind boggling to me.
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But it is okay for a school to make money off of your services and you see no monetary compensation but a free education worth at most $25,000. per year?
 
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lawgator1 said:
Separate issues. But I don't like either.
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College injuires = some families stay in poverty.Example would be an outstanding high school baseball player injures pitching arm in college, or he can sign with a pro team out of high school and the injury doesn't have same financial impact.Why should anyone control a young adults path if he is gifted?All pro teams,baseball,football,basketball could implement standards but this will never happen IMO.
 
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what a xxxx?

As long as he declared eligible being drafted, he should not be able to come back to college to play !!!
 
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utfantilidie said:
But it is okay for a school to make money off of your services and you see no monetary compensation but a free education worth at most $25,000. per year?
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For most kids a free education is worth much more then that and a chance to play a sport is the end of the rainbow. Most of them will not make it to pro sports but without then you might as well have full time basketball players. Hopefuly the lucky few learn a few things before getting the big bucks.
 
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lawgator1 said:
What stuns me is that Morris will be playing in an NBA game this season. From an appearance in the S16 for a college team to wearing a Knicks uniform in a game a week later is just mind boggling to me.
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Yeah, I agree. When I heard about this I thought it was a joke. It definitely doesn't seem right.
 
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Has anyone else ever played in the NCAA Tournament and the NBA Playoffs in the same year?
 
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lawgator1 said:
What stuns me is that Morris will be playing in an NBA game this season. From an appearance in the S16 for a college team to wearing a Knicks uniform in a game a week later is just mind boggling to me.
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Why is that mind boggling? A biology major doesn't have to wait for Bristol Myers Squibb or Boston Scientific to hold a draft before they start work.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Why is that mind boggling? A biology major doesn't have to wait for Bristol Myers Squibb or Boston Scientific to hold a draft before they start work.
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The two are not analogous. There's a huge difference between an amateur athlete at the college level then going pro, versus a kid studying to be a chemist and becoming one. As you point out, the latter has no draft.

Plus, there is a clear dividing line in sports. When the student is preparing to be a chemist for Bristol Myers there is nothing wrong with him making dollars as some sort of intern or clerk or whatever whereas we don't allow the players to do the same for fear that the money will somehow corrupt the college game.

I think the reason it is mind boggling to me is less that I am "against" it and more that I don't think it has ever happened before and so it just seems unsettling. Especially given the peculiar circumstances of Morris and the magic fax of last year.
 
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utfantilidie said:
College injuires = some families stay in poverty.Example would be an outstanding high school baseball player injures pitching arm in college, or he can sign with a pro team out of high school and the injury doesn't have same financial impact.Why should anyone control a young adults path if he is gifted?All pro teams,baseball,football,basketball could implement standards but this will never happen IMO.
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They do have insurance policies for this sort of thing...Nowadays, there are virtually no players drafted in the NFL or NBA drafts who don't have some sort of policy to give them some financial security to fall back on.
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
They do have insurance policies for this sort of thing...Nowadays, there are virtually no players drafted in the NFL or NBA drafts who don't have some sort of policy to give them some financial security to fall back on.
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Those policies aren't nearly large enough to cover the lost earnings. Also, they don't cover any dimunition in player's value caused by a non-career ending injury.
 
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getyopopcornready said:
Kentucky Basketball is falling apart
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This could be true.

And on the Morris thing, it does seem odd that the Knicks could essentially place a "hold" on Morris.

But to me the bigger issue is that the 1- and done rule is ludicrous. If an 18-year-old can make it in the NBA, he should be able to go do it and take responsibility for his actions. The NCAA just needs to be more strict (and consistent) in terms of how it regulates class attendance and performance for current student athletes.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Those policies aren't nearly large enough to cover the lost earnings. Also, they don't cover any dimunition in player's value caused by a non-career ending injury.
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I didn't imply that it was enough to cover the lost earnings of a pro career...my point was that, if a college athlete with legitimate pro pontential gets injured, an insurance policy will help give him the financial security to keep him/his family free from the impending poverty utfantilidie described.
 
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cotton said:
"Under the new APR, schools are subject to scholarship penalties if student-athletes leave early and not in good academic standing. Withdrawing from school before the end of a semester can seriously impede a team's GPA and academic standing. To that end, Texas and Ohio State are taking steps to ensure freshmen Kevin Durant and Greg Oden will finish the spring semester."

It is kind of funny that the NCAA will try to hold Texas, or OSU, or Kentucky accountable for whether Durant or Oden or Morris go to class after the season is over. Exactly what is Rick Barnes supposed to do that Durant remains in good academic standing?

Tieing academic standards to scholarships is well-intended, but the methodology is wrong.
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Title states it all
 
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Jaytrain5 said:
I didn't imply that it was enough to cover the lost earnings of a pro career...my point was that, if a college athlete with legitimate pro pontential gets injured, an insurance policy will help give him the financial security to keep him/his family free from the impending poverty utfantilidie described.
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It can, but insurance policies cost money. They also do nothing to compensate, in Morris' case, the 1.6 million dollars in salary he will make by playing out the remainder of this season. That is a year of earnings he can never reclaim.

(Note: I'm using an example from memory and radio reportings. I haven't studied his deal, but he way I understand it, he makes 1.6 for this year and 1.6 for next. Even if that isn't exactly the case, the premise remains.)

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Title states it all
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My point is that Durant, who for all I know is quite studious and will make As in everything from differential calculous to quantum physics, has no incentive to attend or pass any class he takes. Texas, at this point, has no way to give him incentive, and the Boston Celtics could care less whether or not he can do college algebra. If Durant follows a common practice of leaving campus and going elsewhere to work on his game every day to prepare for the draft workouts, Texas gets penalized for a situation over which they have no control.

It is a bad rule.
 
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