The Lane Kiffin Hypothetical

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So our troubles really began when he bolted for USC. We had what I believed at the time was a pretty good season until we were thumped in our bowl game. The season ended and we had plenty of momentum going into the off-season. Then the unthinkable happened, and from there was the downward spiral.

So I ask you this...

Had Pete Carroll stayed at USC, would Lane still be coaching us today? How would it all have played out?
 
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(1) our troubles began a year earlier than that, when we couldn't come up with a more elegant way of overcoming Phillip Fulmer's complacency than firing the man.

(2) Kiffin is never the solution. For anyone. Sure, he's smart about offensive football. But he's dangerously stupid about people and values. He's a cancer on any program he touches. FAU just hasn't felt it yet. Everyone before them did.
 
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Kiffin left nearly a decade ago. This old, recycled hypothetical needs to be taken out back and shot. Fans love blaming Kiffin for all our troubles but the reality is we suck now and have to get better.
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
(1) our troubles began a year earlier than that, when we couldn't come up with a more elegant way of overcoming Phillip Fulmer's complacency than firing the man.

(2) Kiffin is never the solution. For anyone. Sure, he's smart about offensive football. But he's dangerously stupid about people and values. He's a cancer on any program he touches. FAU just hasn't felt it yet. Everyone before them did.
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In hindsight, firing Fulmer was our first mistake, hiring Kiffin the second and not hiring David Cutcliff afterwards our third mistake.
 
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gunner said:
In hindsight, firing Fulmer was our first mistake, hiring Kiffin the second and not hiring David Cutcliff afterwards our third mistake.
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David Cutcliffe was and is not the answer to our problems. For all our warts, things would not be any better for us right now if he had been our coach.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
David Cutcliffe was and is not the answer to our problems. For all our warts, things would not be any better for us right now if he had been our coach.
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I disagree... He’d have averaged about 8.5 wins a year over the last decade as our head coach. Now I’m not saying that’s what I want out of this football program. I’m just saying the last 10 years would’ve been way better with Cutcliffe than with the jokers we wound up with.
 
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He went 7-6 with a team that had 2 first rd picks a second tick pick and s 5th sr returning starter at qb and a team that had won the east just 2 years before. I could have done that.

If we go 7-6 this year can we shut up about Kiffin once and for all?

What he did wasn’t that impressive. Everywhere he has been he has failed and left a mess. Look at facts. He’s a clown that was entertaining that’s it

The fact that Saban wanted him gone that season before the BCS game but wanted Pruitt to stay the next year under the same circumstances is all you need to know really.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
I disagree... He’d have averaged about 8.5 wins a year over the last decade as our head coach. Now I’m not saying that’s what I want out of this football program. I’m just saying the last 10 years would’ve been way better with Cutcliffe than with the jokers we wound up with.
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Based on what? That he had two good years at Duke during a time where Clemson was not what it is now and about the only good team in the ACC was Florida State.

Listen, I’m not trying to knock Cutcliffe at all but too many Tennessee fans seem to think he would have been our savior. This is not, IMO, what would have happened.
 
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We had a lot of highly rated busts in Fulmer's last few classes. The situation was similar to now with fans thinking we had talent for a quick turnaround. Kiffin had to let some of Fulmer's players go and then he patchworked a serviceable roster for a season. I think it would have gotten worse for Kiffin in year 2 before any real long-term turnaround could take root.
 
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spazzyvol said:
So our troubles really began when he bolted for USC. We had what I believed at the time was a pretty good season until we were thumped in our bowl game. The season ended and we had plenty of momentum going into the off-season. Then the unthinkable happened, and from there was the downward spiral.

So I ask you this...

Had Pete Carroll stayed at USC, would Lane still be coaching us today? How would it all have played out?
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Kiffin wouldn't be the grown up version that he is today.
 
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TheMookieMonster said:
David Cutcliffe was and is not the answer to our problems. For all our warts, things would not be any better for us right now if he had been our coach.
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False. The minute Kiffin bolted, Cut should have been given whatever he wanted (mainly the staff choices). He literally had all the bargaining power just like any other coach we tried to approach. Hamilton being a horrible manager resulted in Dooley. Me personally? I would have just made Kippy the interim for a year and start the search process immediately. Hindsight is always 20/20
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
(1) our troubles began a year earlier than that, when we couldn't come up with a more elegant way of overcoming Phillip Fulmer's complacency than firing the man.

(2) Kiffin is never the solution. For anyone. Sure, he's smart about offensive football. But he's dangerously stupid about people and values. He's a cancer on any program he touches. FAU just hasn't felt it yet. Everyone before them did.
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Our troubles began in 1998, when Fulmer achieved his life goal and started just collecting his exorbitant paycheck and stopped trying to keep up the quality that his job had required previously. I remember an interview directly afterwards where it was stated that Vicki told him he should just go ahead and retire because he will never meet that level of adulation again in his career.
 
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spazzyvol said:
So our troubles really began when he bolted for USC. We had what I believed at the time was a pretty good season until we were thumped in our bowl game. The season ended and we had plenty of momentum going into the off-season. Then the unthinkable happened, and from there was the downward spiral.

So I ask you this...

Had Pete Carroll stayed at USC, would Lane still be coaching us today? How would it all have played out?
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Why such a dumbass question nearly 10 yrs later. Kiffy just got his ass handed to him at Oklahoma. He couldn't make the flight after his failures at USC. I really don't get the love with him. OC yes, head coach, nah.

In other words, no one gives a $h!t about kiffy. He had his chance.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
False. The minute Kiffin bolted, Cut should have been given whatever he wanted (mainly the staff choices). He literally had all the bargaining power just like any other coach we tried to approach. Hamilton being a horrible manager resulted in Dooley. Me personally? I would have just made Kippy the interim for a year and start the search process immediately. Hindsight is always 20/20
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The thing about Kippy is not really hindsight it would have been a good move. For one thing I knew his brother and I would have become a bit of an insider maybe.😀 Anyway it was not the time for Hamilton to go out and find the first guy that was willing to tackle a difficult job and by any stroke of the imagination Dooley was not a viable option. Kippy would have been a great idea because he was a deserving guy and he was a very good option for stabilizing things after a very tumultuous turn of events.
 
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A lane kiffin thread...really? Sure, he'd still be coaching us and we would have had 2 NCs by now.
 
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Pepe said:
The thing about Kippy is not really hindsight it would have been a good move. For one thing I knew his brother and I would have become a bit of an insider maybe.😀 Anyway it was not the time for Hamilton to go out and find the first guy that was willing to tackle a difficult job and by any stroke of the imagination Dooley was not a viable option. Kippy would have been a great idea because he was a deserving guy and he was a very good option for stabilizing things after a very tumultuous turn of events.
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I get that, but at the time Dooley was only coach out of like 10 guys that were willing to take the job only days before NSD. D
 
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tennesseeduke said:
Why such a dumbass question nearly 10 yrs later. Kiffy just got his ass handed to him at Oklahoma. He couldn't make the flight after his failures at USC. I really don't get the love with him. OC yes, head coach, nah.

In other words, no one gives a $h!t about kiffy. He had his chance.
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I think you are mistaken. I dont claim to love him. Just asked a simple question about what would have happened had he stayed. Then everyone jumps down my throat. Well, ok then.
 
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Pepe said:
Our troubles began in 1998, when Fulmer achieved his life goal and started just collecting his exorbitant paycheck and stopped trying to keep up the quality that his job had required previously. I remember an interview directly afterwards where it was stated that Vicki told him he should just go ahead and retire because he will never meet that level of adulation again in his career.
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I never expected him to win a BCS Title every season and that’s completely unrealistic. That being said he averaged 9 wins a season and had UT competing for the East most seasons at this point that’s looking pretty good.
 
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