The Kelly/Kiffin/Leach Equation

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AllVolCincy

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I see good opportunities/fits for all three of these coaches.

Leach to the University of Washington - Let's face it. They need a spark to drag themselves out of Pac-10 purgatory and Leach may be just the guy to do it. Plus, Seattle is a port city with an edgy vibe and the locals just might buy into all the pirate theatrics.

Kiffin to Clemson University - When hired by Al Davis, this 33-year-old upstart (and son of legendary DC Monte Davis) was the youngest head coach in the NFL. He has yet to cut his teeth as a college head coach. The Clemson job would give him an excellent place to hone his skills, while not providing quite the same kind of pressure that he might face in the SEC.

Kelly to the University of Tennessee - Coach Kelly continues to build on his impressive resume, winning two back-to-back Division II national titles, turning the once hapless Chippewas into a respectable MAC contender, and now leading Cincinnati in control of their own destiny as potential Big East champs.

Just ask Coach Shane Montgomery, who happens to go up against Kelly each year, what often happens when you're the youngest head coach in the NCAA at the time of your hire. I'd rather see Clemson take that kind of risk. :wink2:
 
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AllVolCincy said:
I see good opportunities/fits for all three of these coaches.

Leach to the University of Washington - Let's face it. They need a spark to drag themselves out of Pac-10 purgatory and Leach may be just the guy to do it. Plus, Seattle is a port city with an edgy vibe and the locals just might buy into all the pirate theatrics.

Kiffin to Clemson University - When hired by Al Davis, this 33-year-old upstart (and son of legendary DC Monte Davis) was the youngest head coach in the NFL. He has yet to cut his teeth as a college head coach. The Clemson job would give him an excellent place to hone his skills, while not providing quite the same kind of pressure that he might face in the SEC.
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CPF had no HC experience when he took over.

Was there not pressure in the NFL?
 
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AllVolCincy said:
I see good opportunities/fits for all three of these coaches.

Leach to the University of Washington - Let's face it. They need a spark to drag themselves out of Pac-10 purgatory and Leach may be just the guy to do it. Plus, Seattle is a port city with an edgy vibe and the locals just might buy into all the pirate theatrics.

Kiffin to Clemson University - When hired by Al Davis, this 33-year-old upstart (and son of legendary DC Monte Davis) was the youngest head coach in the NFL. He has yet to cut his teeth as a college head coach. The Clemson job would give him an excellent place to hone his skills, while not providing quite the same kind of pressure that he might face in the SEC.

Kelly to the University of Tennessee - Coach Kelly continues to build on his impressive resume, winning two back-to-back Division II national titles, turning the once hapless Chippewas into a respectable MAC contender, and now leading Cincinnati in control of their own destiny as potential Big East champs.

Just ask Coach Shane Montgomery, who happens to go up against Kelly each year, what often happens when you're the youngest head coach in the NCAA at the time of your hire. I'd rather see Clemson take that kind of risk. :wink2:
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No! Kiffin to UT..

This is getting old...

Please Hamilton.. For the sanity of our fans.. Announce the COACH!!
 
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Kiffin seems to have the recruiting edge, could probably form a great staff, but I don't know much about his coaching & leadership ability.

Kelly has proven that he can really coach guys up and build a program. Hate to use the anology, but from what I know of him it fits: he's the Bruce Pearl type hire. Motivated, intelligent, tireless, overachiever.

Leach would need a hellacious DC and some stud recruiters on the staff. He would have a tough time endearing himself to the locals. Personally, I'd prefer to see Tennessee playing more smash mouth football than Leach's style.
 
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I can't believe there's still talk about Leach... a one season guy whose one season just went south.
 
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If Kiffin was going to Clemson they would have already announced it. Unlike UT, they do not have the fired HC finishing out the season. Clemson is more than likely going to retain the interim HC as the new HC.
 
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JZVOL said:
CPF had no HC experience when he took over.

Was there not pressure in the NFL?
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You raise good points. However, Coach Fulmer was a long-term member of the coaching staff. That was an internal transition as opposed to an all-out house cleaning, which is what we're about to go through. That makes the comparison a little different, in my opinion.

Second, of course there was pressure in the NFL. Did it matter that he worked for the wackiest owner? Who knows. There would also be pressure at Clemson. I'm just saying that, from his standpoint, the Clemson job would be a bit safer.

Again, Kiffin seems a much riskier hire. I would be a bit surprised to see Hamilton take that kind of risk knowing that his legacy is on the line.
 
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Kiffin-Youngest, best recruiter NFL exp helps with recruits
Leach-Best ofensive mind in college football
Kelly- won games at all levels, not a standout in any one area, not a good recruiter

I'll be happy with Leach or Kiffin. To me they bring the most to the table. Kelly seems to be the hire for the more conservative fans who think he is a "safe choice" he is no "Bruce Pearl type"
 
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k-town_king said:
Kiffin-Youngest, best recruiter NFL exp helps with recruits
Leach-Best ofensive mind in college football
Kelly- won games at all levels, not a standout in any one area, not a good recruiter

I'll be happy with Leach or Kiffin. To me they bring the most to the table. Kelly seems to be the hire for the more conservative fans who think he is a "safe choice" he is no "Bruce Pearl type"
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How do you figure that?
 
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AllVolCincy said:
I see good opportunities/fits for all three of these coaches.

Leach to the University of Washington - Let's face it. They need a spark to drag themselves out of Pac-10 purgatory and Leach may be just the guy to do it. Plus, Seattle is a port city with an edgy vibe and the locals just might buy into all the pirate theatrics.

Kiffin to Clemson University - When hired by Al Davis, this 33-year-old upstart (and son of legendary DC Monte Davis) was the youngest head coach in the NFL. He has yet to cut his teeth as a college head coach. The Clemson job would give him an excellent place to hone his skills, while not providing quite the same kind of pressure that he might face in the SEC.

Kelly to the University of Tennessee - Coach Kelly continues to build on his impressive resume, winning two back-to-back Division II national titles, turning the once hapless Chippewas into a respectable MAC contender, and now leading Cincinnati in control of their own destiny as potential Big East champs.

Just ask Coach Shane Montgomery, who happens to go up against Kelly each year, what often happens when you're the youngest head coach in the NCAA at the time of your hire. I'd rather see Clemson take that kind of risk. :wink2:
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brilliant post........sounds like u'r seeing the world through the eyes of Hammy, to the dismay of some UT fams.........if this is to be our fate, then everyone has to accept it......I mean, did people really think we were going to get Gruden or Cowher??

:eek:lol:
 
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Mike Leach = Norv Turner of college football. He'll never do anything of note as a head coach.
 
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General Jack said:
How do you figure that?
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Kids like Pearl. Pearl loves to recruit. Pearl is a good recruiter. Pearl beat bigger programs while at a smaller school. Kelly is none of that and has done none of that. What good team has Kelly ever beat? Who has his team upset?
 
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kptvol said:
Mike Leach = Norv Turner of college football. He'll never do anything of note as a head coach.
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That is a good analogy. Maybe he can be an OC at UT? I mean it would get him out of Lubbock. But I do not see him as HC here. I mean is he going to look all scared like he did on Saturday when playing Bama and UF everyear.
 
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k-town_king said:
Kids like Pearl. Pearl loves to recruit. Pearl is a good recruiter. Pearl beat bigger programs while at a smaller school. Kelly is none of that and has done none of that. What good team has Kelly ever beat? Who has his team upset?
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I don't think Pearl was known as a recruiter before he came to Knoxville. Who of note did he bring to Southern Indiana or UWM?

Kelly won back to back national championships in a prior stint. Then, he went on to win a conference championship in his 3rd season at what was a complete disaster of a program. Now, he's winning a BCS conference and has Cincy ranked in the top 20. He can only play who is on his schedule, and he's beaten much more talented Pitt and WVU teams this year. He has done just as much as Pearl did from a career standpoint.

That aside, my comparison has to do with:

  1. Motivation
  2. Enthusiasm
  3. Intelligence/Savvy
  4. Overachiever
Very similar candidate to what Pearl was IMO once you get past the obvious differences between NCAA football and basketball.
 
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Jewbaccah said:
What if Kiffin takes Saban's Staff one of which is a UT alumni. They are his top two recruiters. Would that make it better?
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I'm all for Steele replacing Chavis but he has said in the past that he won't do it. Still, it would be great to steal Steele from Bama and bring him "home" to recruit/coach the defense.
 
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AllVolCincy said:
I see good opportunities/fits for all three of these coaches.

Leach to the University of Washington - Let's face it. They need a spark to drag themselves out of Pac-10 purgatory and Leach may be just the guy to do it. Plus, Seattle is a port city with an edgy vibe and the locals just might buy into all the pirate theatrics.

Kiffin to Clemson University - When hired by Al Davis, this 33-year-old upstart (and son of legendary DC Monte Davis) was the youngest head coach in the NFL. He has yet to cut his teeth as a college head coach. The Clemson job would give him an excellent place to hone his skills, while not providing quite the same kind of pressure that he might face in the SEC.

Kelly to the University of Tennessee - Coach Kelly continues to build on his impressive resume, winning two back-to-back Division II national titles, turning the once hapless Chippewas into a respectable MAC contender, and now leading Cincinnati in control of their own destiny as potential Big East champs.

Just ask Coach Shane Montgomery, who happens to go up against Kelly each year, what often happens when you're the youngest head coach in the NCAA at the time of your hire. I'd rather see Clemson take that kind of risk. :wink2:
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Kelly is by far the best coach of these three. He is who i would want as coach. But...If Kiffen could bring in Steele and possibly Norton Jr that would be a BIG plus in hiring him.
 
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TennesseePride said:
No! Kiffin to UT..

This is getting old...

Please Hamilton.. For the sanity of our fans.. Announce the COACH!!
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Nice to see you back up your statement with a sound argument. I'm sorry, but simply adding an exclamation point does not count for much in terms of debate. If anything is getting old, it's the inability for some to provide substance behind why they agree or disagree with another post.

And seriously, what difference will it make if Hamilton announces the coach next week or later? Don't you want to make sure the search is conducted in a thorough manner? The fans are still going to have another 9 months of hand-wringing before we get to see the kind of team the new coach will lead.
 
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for the sanity of hte fans?

for that same reason........make sure you get the right guy. follow the process.

announcing a coach just to ease fans' anxiety..........yeah, that's brilliant.
 
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k-town_king said:
Kiffin-Youngest, best recruiter NFL exp helps with recruits
Leach-Best ofensive mind in college football
Kelly- won games at all levels, not a standout in any one area, not a good recruiter

I'll be happy with Leach or Kiffin. To me they bring the most to the table. Kelly seems to be the hire for the more conservative fans who think he is a "safe choice" he is no "Bruce Pearl type"
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Kiffin is the best choice because of the staff he would assemble and his recruiting prowess. I agree with your evaluation of Kelly and think he may be a little overrated. As far as Leach, the man runs 30 plays. He isn't the best offensive mind in football he is the simplest. If he was the best he would have found a way to score of Venables. OU's offense and defense both owned texas tech all night long.
 
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I believe that Leach just lost the TN HC job when he got embarrassed and went for it on 4th and 3 just past the 50 knowing that he can't stop OK. Sorry Mr. Leach.

Kelly or Kiffin.

If the economy was better I would bet money it will be Kiffin!
 
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I want Kelly !
we need 2 Bruce pEarls at UT !
he can rebuild us FAST !!

the recruits will come to him especially if he builds us up fast !
 
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On his radio show today, Jim Donnan said UT and Clemson should look at TCU's Gary Patterson.
 
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