The Kellie Harper Doomsday Clock is now the Kim Caldwell Doomsday Clock

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LVBB_Legacy said:
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Believe what you want, but I happen to know that it's true and knew about it long before Harper was fired. She was not given the NIL resources to be competitive. I have personal knowledge of that from multiple sources inside the donor organizations and team.
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also check my post below … what did the numbers look like compared to what this staff has from what you’ve heard ?
 
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Harper and her staff learned towards the end of what turned out to be their final season that additional monetary resources were going to be provided for NIL funds and had planned accordingly.

Then on April 1, without any kind of warning or input from the AD during the entire season, the rug was pulled out from under them and they were let go.

Why do you think that Danny White bragged that the Lady Vols would IMMEDIATELY compete for championships when he hired Caldwell? He thought that competive NIL money was all that was needed to succeed.

It looks like you also need coaches that can evaluate talent and teach & motivate them to perform to their maximum potential as players and as student-athletes.
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I knew this would get good..
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LVBB_Legacy said:
Why do you think that Danny White bragged that the Lady Vols would IMMEDIATELY compete for championships when he hired Caldwell?
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Because according to the folks around here, he's a big mouth, bloviating, but harmless used car salesman in need of a larger jacket. His promises are never to be taken seriously.
 
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You all know what an acorn is. Sometimes….
 
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knoxvol52 said:
Where's the proof? All I read is allegations that big money boosters didn't give CKH sufficient funds...
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I believe in Kellie’s last year the only NIL money she was getting was from a very small group associated with a tee shirt store? This sounds dismissive on my part and I don’t mean it as such. I just don’t know all the players that year but there are folks on here who know the details. Perhaps they can provide more detail.
I also believe it wasn’t until CKC arrived that the LVs were part of the NIL pool for the men’s programs and this provided a significant increase in NIL for LVBB. Again, someone else will have more complete info on this.
 
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Lucy the BoostHer club was the main source, and the ladies affiliation with Orange Mountain Designs with t-shirt deals was what was being promoted. It was a big deal when RJ got to drive the Mercedes for 6 months or so. Not sure how much money we had for her.
 
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Chipperbones said:
It was a big deal when RJ got to drive the Mercedes for 6 months or so. Not sure how much money we had for her
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That wasnt the T shirt booster Club. Thta was a special deal through Ann Baker Furrow and Mercedes of Knoxville.

The Orange Mtn folks were loyal and well meaning but in no way a big time fund raising organization capable of competing with actual collectives
 
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volfan102455 said:
This discussion about NIL is interesting - I thought that there were some tradeoffs between what the LV's basketball team received and what the Vols Baseball team got which was part of the issue with our National Championship baseball coach leaving.

The math isn't adding up.

Edited to add - I have no way of knowing what is true or not, but that is out there everywhere.
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No, that was a mostly false rumor about how Tennessee allocated its $20 million in revenue sharing, not NIL. Arkansas, where Tony coached before, elected to not allocate any revenue sharing money to women’s basketball, instead giving it to baseball. They are the only school in the SEC that is not giving revenue sharing money to women’s basketball, and is giving the highest share of any school in the conference to baseball. Some baseball fans, many of whom believe no money should be spent on women’s basketball, took this information and spun it as Tennessee having taken away something that was rightly baseball’s and given it to women’s basketball. The reality is that Tennessee allocated its revenue sharing based on the model that most schools followed, 75% to football, 15% to men’s basketball, 5% to women’s basketball, and 5% to all other sports.

Both sports are highly competitive with their peers at the top of their sports in NIL money.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
No, that was a mostly false rumor about how Tennessee allocated its $20 million in revenue sharing, not NIL. Arkansas, where Tony coached before, elected to not allocate any revenue sharing money to women’s basketball, instead giving it to baseball. They are the only school in the SEC that is not giving revenue sharing money to women’s basketball, and is giving the highest share of any school in the conference to baseball. Some baseball fans, many of whom believe no money should be spent on women’s basketball, took this information and spun it as Tennessee having taken away something that was rightly baseball’s and given it to women’s basketball. The reality is that Tennessee allocated its revenue sharing based on the model that most schools followed, 75% to football, 15% to men’s basketball, 5% to women’s basketball, and 5% to all other sports.

Both sports are highly competitive with their peers at the top of their sports in NIL money.
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I don't understand how they're able to get away with that and still be compliant with Title IX
 
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glv98 said:
That wasnt the T shirt booster Club. Thta was a special deal through Ann Baker Furrow and Mercedes of Knoxville.

The Orange Mtn folks were loyal and well meaning but in no way a big time fund raising organization capable of competing with actual collectives
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Though Orange Mountain handles fulfillment of those NIL shirts, they do not run the boost her club, Orange Mountain is owned by Alumni Hall.

The BoostHer Club has raised several million dollars over the last few years to allocate to student athletes through NIL events. They have also helped facilitate NIL deals between companies and individual student athletes, much like the volunteer club does for men’s athletes. Most of the larger deals are done directly with athletes and their agents, the collectives are typically responsible for coming up with smaller amounts of money for the rest of the roster in a variety of sports through autograph signings and other smaller appearance fees.

With the rule changes last year, schools and their media rights holders like Learfield and playfly, can negotiate endorsement deals for student athletes with companies that are corporate partners, which allows them to also use school logos. My firm has worked with an agency that represents college athletes, and the big name athletes are mostly signing those deals, rather than guarantees from collectives.
 
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VolFan_stuck_in_the_901 said:
I don't understand how they're able to get away with that and still be compliant with Title IX
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Because NIL and revenue sharing are not educational benefits, according to a ruling from the justice department last year. Title IX only covers educational related spending, so it does apply to anything the school spends directly on student athletes like scholarships and travel. It does not apply to coaching salaries or revenue that is shared with athletes. NIL is done outside of the college environment, since those payments are not made by the school.
 
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Lucy said:
I believe in Kellie’s last year the only NIL money she was getting was from a very small group associated with a tee shirt store? This sounds dismissive on my part and I don’t mean it as such. I just don’t know all the players that year but there are folks on here who know the details. Perhaps they can provide more detail.
I also believe it wasn’t until CKC arrived that the LVs were part of the NIL pool for the men’s programs and this provided a significant increase in NIL for LVBB. Again, someone else will have more complete info on this.
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Seems like Lucy I remember samanth Williams was trying to get Danny White support women's basketball more nil
Might seen o Facebook or local news not sure
 
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Thanks Deerpark for sharing and explaining about the NIL. That was very helpful!

I was just under the impression that the BoostHer club came nowhere near to what the Volunteer club had to offer$$$. But understandably.
 
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DeerPark12 said:
Though Orange Mountain handles fulfillment of those NIL shirts, they do not run the boost her club, Orange Mountain is owned by Alumni Hall.

The BoostHer Club has raised several million dollars over the last few years to allocate to student athletes through NIL events. They have also helped facilitate NIL deals between companies and individual student athletes, much like the volunteer club does for men’s athletes. Most of the larger deals are done directly with athletes and their agents, the collectives are typically responsible for coming up with smaller amounts of money for the rest of the roster in a variety of sports through autograph signings and other smaller appearance fees.

With the rule changes last year, schools and their media rights holders like Learfield and playfly, can negotiate endorsement deals for student athletes with companies that are corporate partners, which allows them to also use school logos. My firm has worked with an agency that represents college athletes, and the big name athletes are mostly signing those deals, rather than guarantees from collectives.
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Didn't Terry who ran the BoostHer club work at Orange Mountain? I talked to her there a few times, they had meet and greets there
 
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Chipperbones said:
Thanks Deerpark for sharing and explaining about the NIL. That was very helpful!

I was just under the impression that the BoostHer club came nowhere near to what the Volunteer club had to offer$$$. But understandably.
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It’s true they don’t have the same money to offer as the volunteer club, but the volunteer club was also trying to raise money to pay for the back half of rosters in football, basketball and baseball. They were also given access to the football and men’s basketball donor databases to raise funds.

To answer another posters question, Sam Williams advocated for the volunteer club to take over the entire NIL operation, and tried to get Danny White on board for that. While they eventually got involved in providing some first year guarantees, the collectives were ultimately not merged because the volunteer club does not allow donors to direct to which programs their monies support. That was a dealbreaker for me and why I have always cut my checks to the boost her club or worked with an event at a local business to pay athletes directly.
 
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glv98 said:
Didn't Terry who ran the BoostHer club work at Orange Mountain? I talked to her there a few times, they had meet and greets there
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Yes, Terri originally founded OMD back in the mid 2000s, around the last two national championship years. She sold the business to Alumni Hall prior to launching the collective. They have a business relationship, and Alumni Hall hosts meet and greets at Orange Mountain, but they are not the same company.
 
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