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There seems to be several camps of Vol basketball fans:

1. Keep Coach Martin ... PERIOD
2. Keep Coach Martin ... if the team makes the NCAA tourney.
3. Fire Coach Martin ... PERIOD
4. Hire Bruce Pearl and then figure out what to do with Martin.
5. Basketball? What's that?

I do not think that being somewhere between the 40th and 68th rated team is good enough. The goal should be top of the SEC and an elite 8 expectation annually.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
There seems to be several camps of Vol basketball fans:

1. Keep Coach Martin ... PERIOD
2. Keep Coach Martin ... if the team makes the NCAA tourney.
3. Fire Coach Martin ... PERIOD
4. Hire Bruce Pearl and then figure out what to do with Martin.
5. Basketball? What's that?

I do not think that being somewhere between the 40th and 68th rated team is good enough. The goal should be top of the SEC and an elite 8 expectation annually.
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Who are the people who are saying keep coach Martin period? I'm pretty sure everyone here would want him fired if we didn't make the tourney
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
There seems to be several camps of Vol basketball fans:

1. Keep Coach Martin ... PERIOD
2. Keep Coach Martin ... if the team makes the NCAA tourney.
3. Fire Coach Martin ... PERIOD
4. Hire Bruce Pearl and then figure out what to do with Martin.
5. Basketball? What's that?

I do not think that being somewhere between the 40th and 68th rated team is good enough. The goal should be top of the SEC and an elite 8 expectation annually.
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Whew, that's...harsh! I like it!:yes:
ANYWAY...GO VOLS!
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
There seems to be several camps of Vol basketball fans:

1. Keep Coach Martin ... PERIOD
2. Keep Coach Martin ... if the team makes the NCAA tourney.
3. Fire Coach Martin ... PERIOD
4. Hire Bruce Pearl and then figure out what to do with Martin.
5. Basketball? What's that?

I do not think that being somewhere between the 40th and 68th rated team is good enough. The goal should be top of the SEC and an elite 8 expectation annually.
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Silly.
 
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Do we keep Martin as a coach if we make the tourney and go one, possibly two and done? It sure doesn't look good for making next years tourney. We need a coach that can coach our kids up and get them fired up weather it is BP or someone else.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
There seems to be several camps of Vol basketball fans:

1. Keep Coach Martin ... PERIOD
2. Keep Coach Martin ... if the team makes the NCAA tourney.
3. Fire Coach Martin ... PERIOD
4. Hire Bruce Pearl and then figure out what to do with Martin.
5. Basketball? What's that?

I do not think that being somewhere between the 40th and 68th rated team is good enough. The goal should be top of the SEC and an elite 8 expectation annually.
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So by your standards Pearl should've been fired for not meeting expectations?

Lol
 
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OrangeAllDay said:
Who are the people who are saying keep coach Martin period? I'm pretty sure everyone here would want him fired if we didn't make the tourney
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This, I keep asking who this mysterious group is and so far I've seen one person say keep Martin period.
 
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voltraveler said:
Do we keep Martin as a coach if we make the tourney and go one, possibly two and done? It sure doesn't look good for making next years tourney. We need a coach that can coach our kids up and get them fired up weather it is BP or someone else.
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I personally think Cuonzo will never succeed at the level that most TN fans expect. That being said, I don't see how Hart can fire him after getting a NCAA bid. Even if they lose the first game. I don't expect him to be here more than another year maybe two. That is if he doesn't take another job which I've heard as a possibility.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
There seems to be several camps of Vol basketball fans:

1. Keep Coach Martin ... PERIOD
2. Keep Coach Martin ... if the team makes the NCAA tourney.
3. Fire Coach Martin ... PERIOD
4. Hire Bruce Pearl and then figure out what to do with Martin.
5. Basketball? What's that?

I do not think that being somewhere between the 40th and 68th rated team is good enough. The goal should be top of the SEC and an elite 8 expectation annually.
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I've never understood #2. The tourney should not be a "you have to keep me" card. Jerry Green got us to the tourney, and it did nothing for his chances. And I'm not sure how squeaking in to this year's tourney should change the performance evaluation this time around.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
So by your standards Pearl should've been fired for not meeting expectations?

Lol
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Similar to the expectations Phil set that he could no longer live up to. By expecting an elite eight appearance every season, you're essentially saying Tennessee should be perennial national championship contender.
 
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Martin will never put us over the hump to be championship caliber, I am only talking about SEC Championships. At minimum that should be our goal, the school, students, fans and alumni deserve that.
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I personally think Cuonzo will never succeed at the level that most TN fans expect. That being said, I don't see how Hart can fire him after getting a NCAA bid. Even if they lose the first game. I don't expect him to be here more than another year maybe two. That is if he doesn't take another job which I've heard as a possibility.
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I think most common sense Vol fans feel the same.
 
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My on the court standards are 3/4ths of the time be in the NCAA field of 68. 1/2 the time advance at least a game. 1/4th the time, sweet 16 or bust. We've been to 4 sweet 16's in the last 15 years. So to me, that's not unreasonable for an expectation. Especially with our facilities, and what is actually a very good in-state recruiting base.

If you're not managing that, something is wrong.
 
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Start today by making the hard decision at the top....then pony up the money to get a winning coach... then weather the storm for the next 3 years to get on top. That's the way to do it, otherwise prepare for double digit seeds if we get to the show at all.
 
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vols 30 said:
I think most common sense Vol fans feel the same.
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I think many fans see that he's not going to get it done here and they think firing him just gets us into the next chapter quicker rather than delaying it another year or two and suffering through another year. Many are looking for some hope and don't see it in Cuonzo. Another coach regardless of who that might be would give them some hope.

Now I will say this, when coach Martin leaves do not expect a huge hire. It will be a budget hire, a new up and comer. And when I say up and comer I don't mean an established winner at a mid major like Smart or Marshall, I'm talking about a relative new comer. So everyone wanting Martin fired don't be surprised when the new coach doesn't deliver the "wow".
 
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Because we are one of the "last teams in" doesn't mean we are 68th best in the ncaa. There are pos teams from pos conferences that get auto bids and 14-16 seeds, so I think being where we are puts us in the 40s.
 
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vols 30 said:
I think most common sense Vol fans feel the same.
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So, 3 seasons is sufficient to evaluate a basketball coach? A coach that came in to a dumpster fire situation with Pearl getting canned for being Pearl and getting caught?

As much as you guys detest Martin, he has managed to bring in just as many 5* players as Pearl in essentially 3 recruiting classes.

Most basketball players are recruited by coaches starting as freshmen in high school. If you have to start recruiting kids as juniors and seniors, it's going to be tough to beat out teams that have been recruiting kids for 4 years. That's just how college recruiting works if you aren't a destination program, and contrary to popular belief, U.T. isn't a destination program.

5 years is the minimum amount of time to evaluate a basketball coach. If you are only willing to give a coach 3 years, you are going to find it hard to find any established coach willing to risk their career on the previous coaches recruiting classes.
 
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OrangeByBirth said:
There seems to be several camps of Vol basketball fans:

1. Keep Coach Martin ... PERIOD
2. Keep Coach Martin ... if the team makes the NCAA tourney.
3. Fire Coach Martin ... PERIOD
4. Hire Bruce Pearl and then figure out what to do with Martin.
5. Basketball? What's that?

I do not think that being somewhere between the 40th and 68th rated team is good enough. The goal should be top of the SEC and an elite 8 expectation annually.
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The goal should be top on of the SEC and elite 8 annually? I admire the enthusiasm. But, at this phase, TENNESSEE is still seen as a football school where most top level players will not go..Keep firing coaches based on unreasonable standards and expectalt top coaches to avoid our school.
 
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Voltopia said:
I've never understood #2. The tourney should not be a "you have to keep me" card. Jerry Green got us to the tourney, and it did nothing for his chances. And I'm not sure how squeaking in to this year's tourney should change the performance evaluation this time around.
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Don DeVoe was fired after making the NCAA tourney. He is also the last coach to win the SEC tournament.
 
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Fijivol72 said:
Martin will never put us over the hump to be championship caliber, I am only talking about SEC Championships. At minimum that should be our goal, the school, students, fans and alumni deserve that.
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Well since we haven't won a SEC championship since the 70's i highly doubt we win one anytime soon
 
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InVOLuntary said:
I think many fans see that he's not going to get it done here and they think firing him just gets us into the next chapter quicker rather than delaying it another year or two and suffering through another year. Many are looking for some hope and don't see it in Cuonzo. Another coach regardless of who that might be would give them some hope.

Now I will say this, when coach Martin leaves do not expect a huge hire. It will be a budget hire, a new up and comer. And when I say up and comer I don't mean an established winner at a mid major like Smart or Marshall, I'm talking about a relative new comer. So everyone wanting Martin fired don't be surprised when the new coach doesn't deliver the "wow".
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If Hart and company are not going to hire Bruce Pearl, I am all for keeping Martin since we know they will hire another mid-major up and comer. We can't keep changing coaches every 3 years and as long as we are ok with being the 3rd best program in the SEC, Let's keep Cuonzo
 
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