The Green New Deal

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And Nancy already thinks it's stupid.

Pelosi throws shade as Green New Deal unveiled: ‘Green dream or whatever they call it’

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., is set to release her much-touted “Green New Deal”on Thursday -- a package of far-reaching, big-government proposals like health care for all, federal job guarantees and a push to eliminate U.S. carbon emissions -- but it’s already receiving shade from House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

“It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive,” Pelosi told Politico on Wednesday. “The green dream or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they’re for it right?”

Pelosi took a more conciliatory tone on Thursday, saying: “Quite frankly, I haven’t seen it, but I do know it’s enthusiastic and we welcome all the enthusiasm that is out there.” She also named Democratic members to serve on the new Select Committee on the Climate Crisis, but Ocasio-Cortez was not one of those members.
 
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Insanity. If any Democrat starts shutting down nuclear plants like Germany...we need a revolution. Sadly, i cant remember which US president killed the progress by cancelling plans to replace all the coal plants with nuclear...but it was super stupid. Extremely shtupid...we should generate all of our power with reactors until we are able to meet our needs with ocean tides, waves, wind and solar, etc...and only then if it makes very good sense to do so. Nuclear is safe, clean, and efficient. Dimmocrats are shtupid, shortsighted, and shtupid
 
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Insanity. If any Democrat starts shutting down nuclear plants like Germany...we need a revolution. Sadly, i cant remember which US president killed the progress by cancelling plans to replace all the coal plants with nuclear...but it was super stupid. Extremely shtupid...we should generate all of our power with reactors until we are able to meet our needs with ocean tides, waves, wind and solar, etc...and only then if it makes very good sense to do so. Nuclear is safe, clean, and efficient. Dimmocrats are shtupid, shortsighted, and shtupid
It would take hundreds of years to meet our needs using green energy.
 
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There is nothing in there that I like.
(K) enacting and enforcing trade rules, procurement standards, and border adjustments with strong labor and environmental protections— (i) to stop the transfer of jobs and pollution overseas; and (ii) to grow domestic manufacturing in the United States;

I like it
 
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It would take hundreds of years to meet our needs using green energy.
Not so many years ago it was being said, that before solar energy would be a viable alternative, implementation cost would need to be below $5 a watt. I believe that threshold has been crossed.
 
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Not so many years ago it was being said, that before solar energy would be a viable alternative, implementation cost would need to be below $5 a watt. I believe that threshold has been crossed.

subsidized or not?

since that time I'm betting new issues with solar have arisen such as environmental harm to wildlife; same for wind power.
 
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subsidized or not?

since that time I'm betting new issues with solar have arisen such as environmental harm to wildlife; same for wind power.
Non-subsidized at this point. Yeah, solar alone isn't gonna do the trick, yet less harmful to wildlife than say wind power.

The goal, in this case, should be diversification, I believe. Environmental impacts should addressed through innovation, which I don't think is a lofty expectation.
 
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There eventually will be a green revolution in the first world. At some point it will be realized that fossil fuels are too valuable and precious to just set on fire. They are also finite and non renewable. We're not gong to flip a switch and go green overnight. But it is past time to begin the process of change in earnest. I believe the scientific community that is telling us global warming is largely a product of human activity specifically caused by the increasing release of hydrocarbons into the atmosphere.

Let's say that I am wrong. It still makes sense to work toward a cleaner environment and conserve oil and coal for things we may need in the future.
 
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What are your favorite ideas, in there?

I'll name a few I like and a few WTF moments:

to achieve net-zero greenhouse gas emissions through a fair and just transition for all communities and workers

Like this. But totally un-achievable in 10 years.

to invest in the infrastructure and industry of the United States to sustainably meet the challenges of the 21st century

Vague, ambiguous, but certainly something worth striving for. But not at breaking our own economy.

by guaranteeing universal access to clean water

Universal access? WTF moment.

building or upgrading to energy-efficient, distributed, and ‘‘smart’’ power grids, and working to ensure affordable access to electricity

I'm in.

upgrading all existing buildings in the United States and building new buildings to achieve maximal energy efficiency, water efficiency, safety, affordability, comfort, and durability, including through electrification

Ummm, ALL buildings?

working collaboratively with farmers and ranchers in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the agricultural sector as much as is technologically feasible

Cows emit greenhouse gasses...

by building a more sustainable food system that ensures universal access to healthy food

Yet another WTF moment on the "universal" language and "healthy food."

overhauling transportation systems in the United States to eliminate pollution and greenhouse gas emissions from the transportation sector as much as is technologically feasible, including through investment in—
(i) zero-emission vehicle infrastructure and manufacturing;
(ii) clean, affordable, and accessible public transportation; and
(iii) high-speed rail

Not possible in 10 years on item (i). I'm okay with (ii) and it seems a lot of metro areas are transitioning to that anyway. (iii) is going to be a challenge since a lot of the land needed for such a network would either be protected (forests and such) or in private hands. I don't object to it, but this one is kinda huge.

cleaning up existing hazardous waste and abandoned sites to promote economic development and sustainability

This...is a big one that will require a metric butt-ton of money. If it's even scientifically or physically possible.

providing resources, training, and high-quality education, including higher education, to all people of the United States, with a focus on frontline and vulnerable communities, so those communities may be full and equal participants in the Green New Deal mobilization

YAY! Free college for all! I can get my degree in Medieval Southwest Australian Art once and for all!

ensuring that the Green New Deal mobilization creates high-quality union jobs that pay prevailing wages, hires local workers, offers training and advancement opportunities, and guarantees wage and benefit parity for workers affected by the transition

Oh, we have to create union jobs?

ensuring that public lands, waters, and oceans are protected and that eminent domain is not abused

Agree on the Eminent Domain portion.

providing all people of the United States with—
(i) high-quality health care;
(ii) affordable, safe, and adequate housing;
(iii) economic security; and
(iv) access to clean water, clean air, healthy and affordable food, and nature.

Universal health care (paid for by whom?)
Universal housing (again, paid for by whom?)
Economic security is all kinds of vague.
(iv) is kinda vague as well.

The whole thing looks like an Onion article.
 
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I'll name a few I like and a few WTF moments:



Like this. But totally un-achievable in 10 years.



Vague, ambiguous, but certainly something worth striving for. But not at breaking our own economy.



Universal access? WTF moment.



I'm in.



Ummm, ALL buildings?



Cows emit greenhouse gasses...



Yet another WTF moment on the "universal" language and "healthy food."



Not possible in 10 years on item (i). I'm okay with (ii) and it seems a lot of metro areas are transitioning to that anyway. (iii) is going to be a challenge since a lot of the land needed for such a network would either be protected (forests and such) or in private hands. I don't object to it, but this one is kinda huge.



This...is a big one that will require a metric butt-ton of money. If it's even scientifically or physically possible.



YAY! Free college for all! I can get my degree in Medieval Southwest Australian Art once and for all!



Oh, we have to create union jobs?



Agree on the Eminent Domain portion.



Universal health care (paid for by whom?)
Universal housing (again, paid for by whom?)
Economic security is all kinds of vague.
(iv) is kinda vague as well.

The whole thing looks like an Onion article.

You know.. It's a glass 1/100th full type thing. This thread will have no shortage of criticism. Call me Mr. Brightside.

I'll have to dig a little deeper into this when I have the time, but really, it's not likely to go very far, as is.
 
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