The Effect Of Going 5 And 6..........

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The 5-6 season we had last year was the worst in twenty years! Do you think beacause of this it will hurt our recruiting? I heard plenty of people say after last season that it would be a long time before we got back on track because of that alone.
We do look great and the fire lit under CPF really did great things along with the addition of Cut. I dont feel our 5-6 really hurt us to bad and in some ways we have benefited greatly. GO VOLS
 
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if you listen to and believe CPF, you would have to believe what you say above. it was the first time he'd ever had a losing season as an HC...he has said in several interviews that they may have gotten complacent in what they were doing...and that they hadn't really enjoyed, or embraced the many peaks they've had as a program, and going thru a valley like last season really, really reinforced the effort that goes in to preparation etc...

So from that standpoint, it was actually a benefit. none of the staff changes would have been made had we not gone thru that. and no one would be as excited about what we are doing this year had we not gone thru that. We're excited again. they have something fresh in memory that they don't ever want to go back thru.

as for recruiting..i think it hurt us last year. But given what we've been able to do and how we've been able to do it with some very exciting offensive play, i think it will bode well for the near future in recruiting. Espeically with UGA being a bit down and Bama struggling....it may opne the door on a few kids that are riding the fence at a couple of shools. Combine that with FSU and Miami being down, that door may be opened on some more recruits...you never know. But either way, i think the future is back to looking bright again.
 
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jakez4ut said:
if you listen to and believe CPF, you would have to believe what you say above. it was the first time he'd ever had a losing season as an HC...he has said in several interviews that they may have gotten complacent in what they were doing...and that they hadn't really enjoyed, or embraced the many peaks they've had as a program, and going thru a valley like last season really, really reinforced the effort that goes in to preparation etc...

So from that standpoint, it was actually a benefit. none of the staff changes would have been made had we not gone thru that. and no one would be as excited about what we are doing this year had we not gone thru that. We're excited again. they have something fresh in memory that they don't ever want to go back thru.

as for recruiting..i think it hurt us last year. But given what we've been able to do and how we've been able to do it with some very exciting offensive play, i think it will bode well for the near future in recruiting. Espeically with UGA being a bit down and Bama struggling....it may opne the door on a few kids that are riding the fence at a couple of shools. Combine that with FSU and Miami being down, that door may be opened on some more recruits...you never know. But either way, i think the future is back to looking bright again.
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I agree,well said.
 
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Georgia is still doing quite well in recruiting, which goes to show that there more to it that just one bad year. I think the perception with tennessee despite 2004 was that the whole program was in a steady decline.
 
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We are currently sitting in the top 15 and in on a ton of the best kids in the nation that are not committed thus far. If you follow UT recruiting you will know that for what ever reason we always seem to close late. If we finish the season strong and keep Cut we will get some of the really top notch offensive players that are left. I think we will get some of the Def guys that are left because of the chance to play.
 
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cibai said:
Georgia is still doing quite well in recruiting, which goes to show that there more to it that just one bad year. I think the perception with tennessee despite 2004 was that the whole program was in a steady decline.
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Would you include that top 5 recruiting class in that decline?
 
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Last year we definately took a hit compared to the usual talent level in Knoxville. But like others said, we seem to close late because we're usually after 5-star talent that doesnt commit till jan or feb. Right now our class is decent, but Im not going to make any decline judgement on it until signing day.
 
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cibai said:
Georgia is still doing quite well in recruiting, which goes to show that there more to it that just one bad year. I think the perception with tennessee despite 2004 was that the whole program was in a steady decline.
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i think that perception has changed this year....and UGA may lose a couple during the process...we did last year...

nothing matters til Feb. and it's already been said, but we do have a history of finishing strong in regards to recruiting. I don't know that we will have a top 5 class or anything this year, but i expect it should be better than last year's class. AS good as we've looked this year, and with as many people we'll be bringing back, we still have a lot of opportunity to play....
 
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You guys finishing at 12-1 or 11-2 after the bowls will negate last years 5-6 season. Kids today have a very short attention span.
 
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TuskALoosa said:
You guys finishing at 12-1 or 11-2 after the bowls will negate last years 5-6 season. Kids today have a very short attention span.
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exactly. if memory serves, you guys had a pretty decent class after last year's 10 win season...right? the big loss i remember was Tebow...but other than that, you got some good youngsters...
 
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UTK's class this year will be very stong. We already have a good number of good recruits. And, we have a very good possibility of finishing with a number of the great recruits who are still deciding/chaning their mind. The #3 WR in the country is out of NC. He was commited to NC, but now that the coach is fired he is most likely going to change his mind and UTK is the only other school he has been to.
 
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VolBeef88 said:
We are currently sitting in the top 15 and in on a ton of the best kids in the nation that are not committed thus far. If you follow UT recruiting you will know that for what ever reason we always seem to close late. If we finish the season strong and keep Cut we will get some of the really top notch offensive players that are left. I think we will get some of the Def guys that are left because of the chance to play.
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Def guys because of a chance to play? Umm, that would be the opposite. Do you know how many seniors we have starting right now on defense? We are very young on Def and it could hurt us with a couple of players.
 
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yeah, but we lack depth...younger guys could get in on the rotation earlier than expected...they may not start, but they could get PT. something i'm sure we'll play to the hilt.
 
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therickbol said:
Def guys because of a chance to play? Umm, that would be the opposite. Do you know how many seniors we have starting right now on defense? We are very young on Def and it could hurt us with a couple of players.
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What jake said. The way the Chief runs the D we will need more and get them. Coming in as a #2 guy on D is a lot different than coming in as a #2 guy on O. We will have a great shot at getting some really good D guys. Just watch.
 
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for anyone to imply that a losing season was a good thing is just laughable, as if losing to Vandy was in any way acceptable is beyond me
 
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rexvol said:
for anyone to imply that a losing season was a good thing is just laughable
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I don't think that anyone is saying it's a good thing, it's just that nobody is freaking out about it.

What happened last season happened, there's no going back. I guess if you really wanted to, you could sit around the next 10 years and mope about 2005 if you wanted to, but what's the point?

It would be one thing if we were having another bad season this year and the team showed no signs whatsoever of improvement, but that's not the case. So why sit around and still be worried about last season? One average year isn't going to wreck a program like Tennessee and while the losing season was not a good thing, I think that some good changes came about because of it.

My suggestion: Sit back and enjoy this season and quit harping on the last one. There's some good stuff happening with Tennessee football THIS year.
 
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OWB as I said 2004 is kind of an exception, and that was the reason for the top 5 class (UT was riding the excitement of both making a two QB system work in a flashy way, and the perception that freshmen could get playing time) 2005 obliterated that though. What 2005 season did was make the 2004 season appear to be a fluke, and that indeed the stats of a steady decline in UTs offensive production were in fact the norm. I think UT is still struggling with that despite this good year, because it is still unclear how much of a role Fulmer himself has played in the resurection, and how much is just because of Cutcliffe. Fulmer is the constant, Cutliffe is widely perceived as a passing through factor.
 
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cibai said:
OWB as I said 2004 is kind of an exception, and that was the reason for the top 5 class (UT was riding the excitement of both making a two QB system work in a flashy way, and the perception that freshmen could get playing time) 2005 obliterated that though.
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I just mean that some very positive things came out of the 5-6 season. 1. CUT 2.The play of Ainge 3.Vols play like they never want to have another losing season.4 CPF needed a little push and he has done well.
 
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OWB as I said 2004 is kind of an exception, and that was the reason for the top 5 class (UT was riding the excitement of both making a two QB system work in a flashy way, and the perception that freshmen could get playing time) 2005 obliterated that though.
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The 2005 season might have made the 2004 season appear to be a fluke, but we still got all of those good players didn't we? Aren't most of them wearing orange right now?

So far, we're having a pretty good season and a lot of these guys are getting some good playing time. Along with everything else getting on track (for whatever reason), it leads me to believe that Tennessee is going to be in even better shape next year and yes, I'm aware of who we lose after this season.

Finishing 11-1 or 10-2 this season is not a sign of our program going the wrong way and it certainly won't hurt our recruiting.
 
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i agree, but sometimes (make that most times) perceptions arent rational. Where Tennessee was a hot commodity in 04 (read trendy), Im not sure it is anymore especially with the perceptions about urban.
 
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Urban Cryer is the "trendy" coach right now and nothing so far has changed that, but how is Ole Miss and Bama pulling in great classes, while the Vols limp along
 
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