The differences between Fulmer and Majors?

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#51
NashvilleUTVol said:
The biggest difference is that under Majors bama owned UT and under Fulmer UT owned "Bama".

During Majors tenure UT was a horrible 4-12 against "Bama" and cemented our utter distaste for the Tide and lead many a UT fan to cry for Majors ousting.

Fulmer on the other hand turned the tables and went 11-4 against "Bama". The only other UT coach to have as good a record against the Tide was General Neyland at 12-5.

Say what you may about Fulmer but he owned our most hated rival "Bama" while he was at the helm. For that alone Fulmer will always rate highly in my book.
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Fulmer was only 5-12 against the gators. As much as I hate the bammers (and love it everytime the Vols beat them), beating the gators is critical to winning the East. CPF's inability to establish a consistent record against them is was lead me to jump off of his bandwagon.
 
#52
#52
Johnny got more chances than anyone else would have gotten because of his ties, but I thought the 1990 Bama game did it for me.....I was ready for CJM to go...
 
#54
#54
VolinConcord said:
Fulmer was only 5-12 against the gators. As much as I hate the bammers (and love it everytime the Vols beat them), beating the gators is critical to winning the East. CPF's inability to establish a consistent record against them is was lead me to jump off of his bandwagon.
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And just as CJM against Bama, CPF inability against UF did him in. You can't keep losing to your biggest rivals and keep your job in the SEC.
 
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#57
FLSTF-VOL said:
You must be talking about those gunslinger's Steve Alatorre, Alan Cockrell and Jeff Francis.

The only two that could hit the broad side of a barn was Tony Robinson and Andy Kelly.

We weren't exactly known for our QB play in the 80's.
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i dont know of anybody in the sec that was.
 
#58
#58
FLSTF-VOL said:
You must be talking about those gunslinger's Steve Alatorre, Alan Cockrell and Jeff Francis.

The only two that could hit the broad side of a barn was Tony Robinson and Andy Kelly.

We weren't exactly known for our QB play in the 80's.
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cockrell played pro baseball. francis was drafted and stuck around the league for 3 or 4 years. i guess these pro teams were just keeping him out of the goodness of their heart. now sterling henton, i'd put him in your mediocre category. but these 3 names you mentioned don't belong there.
 
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#59
VOLnMiami said:
yet We always found ways to get our hearts broken by some team like Ole Miss "Who was a thorn in our side"
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which to me characterized "johnny ball," great games interspersed with inexplicable losses. CPF had a few of those (memphis st, for example) but more than CJM won the games that he "should" win which is why his overall winning % is 75 compared to around 67 for CJM.

CJM was a great player and his family is TN legacy, but as a coach for UT he underachieved imo. his "shared" SEC titles are arguably equivalent to CPF's SECE "titles."

and the '90 bama game? please don't mention it -- i've worked very, very hard to try to forget that one.
 
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indianacurly said:
cockrell played pro baseball. francis was drafted and stuck around the league for 3 or 4 years. i guess these pro teams were just keeping him out of the goodness of their heart. now sterling henton, i'd put him in your mediocre category. but these 3 names you mentioned don't belong there.
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I'll give you that Francis might not belong. But Alatorre is not even in the top 15 of any category and Cockrell is something like 8th all time but the guy couldn't make the play when it counted.

I guess its a matter of opinion.
 
#61
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FLSTF-VOL said:
I'll give you that Francis might not belong. But Alatorre is not even in the top 15 of any category and Cockrell is something like 8th all time but the guy couldn't make the play when it counted.

I guess its a matter of opinion.
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i was really young at the time of cockrell and alatorre - had just started coming to games regularly. i remember alatorre having alot of moxy - making the big plays with his arm or feet until he got injured (was it a knee?) seem to remember him never being quite as good. then again, the recollections of a then 8 yr old might not be too accurate.
 
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#63
VOLnMiami said:
I look back at some of the players on those early 80's teams and wonder to myself, How in the world didn't We compete for national titles?...Fastest WR's in the country, Solid defenses yet We always found ways to get our hearts broken by some team like Ole Miss "Who was a thorn in our side"
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Those early 1980s teams had some great individual performers, and they got a lot of mileage out of them, but the team as a whole was not very good. The best of them was the '83 team, Reggie White's senior season. That team was "only" 24 points shy of tying Auburn for the SEC championship that season.

We were able to take the Willie Gaults and Reggie Whites and beat just about all the little boys, but every time we played a good team, our lack of depth and the number of non-SEC caliber starters always got exposed. Remember 44-0 and 43-7 to start '81?
 
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