The differences between Fulmer and Majors?

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Both won a national championship. Johnny, however, had to earn his way to coach at the University of Tennessee.Iowa State head coach,Pittsburgh head coach,then UT headcoach. Phillip, however,assistant coach Vandy, to UT assistant, then headcoach.Quite a contrasting difference as far who actually deserved a shot to be head coach at a major university it seems.
 
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utfantilidie said:
Both won a national championship. Johnny, however, had to earn his way to coach at the University of Tennessee.Iowa State head coach,Pittsburgh head coach,then UT headcoach. Phillip, however,assistant coach Vandy, to UT assistant, then headcoach.Quite a contrasting difference as far who actually deserved a shot to be head coach at a major university it seems.
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Being in the right place at the right time is crucial to one's career. Phil's rise was fortuitous in this way.
 
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I posted in another thread how this board would have looked (if it was invented) back then concerning this situation. I know CJM has his detractors and he is not perfect by any means, but I will always be a fan of his.
 
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VolinConcord said:
I posted in another thread how this board would have looked (if it was invented) back then concerning this situation. I know CJM has his detractors and he is not perfect by any means, but I will always be a fan of his.
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Many forget Major's contributions as a player. One of the grittiest to ever wear the Orange.
 
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1 BIG difference. Look at the assistants Majors had that became Head Coaches (7-10). Now...look at Fulmer's list (1-2). that tells me alot

Majors does not get enough credit for being a great coach. He had his issues...but the dude could coach and teach.
 
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peaygolf89 said:
1 BIG difference. Look at the assistants Majors had that became Head Coaches (7-10). Now...look at Fulmer's list (1-2). that tells me alot

Majors does not get enough credit for being a great coach. He had his issues...but the dude could coach and teach.
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Majors also had a ridiculous turnover on his staff. It's much easier to have former staff members that go on to become head coaches when you have that many more assistants.
 
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utfantilidie said:
Both won a national championship. Johnny, however, had to earn his way to coach at the University of Tennessee.Iowa State head coach,Pittsburgh head coach,then UT headcoach. Phillip, however,assistant coach Vandy, to UT assistant, then headcoach.Quite a contrasting difference as far who actually deserved a shot to be head coach at a major university it seems.
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You forgot to add that one of those coaches actually brought US a national title and the other didnt.

Now continue with y'alls myth about CJM.
 
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Hey I'll always be a Johnny Majors fan...He got more chances at UT than probably anybody would've gotten..He had 3 losing seasons but he had this knack for pulling out a big game when We needed it....He lost to some teams that normally would've gotten other coaches fired....Rutgers comes to mind and Vanderbilt beat him once and Kentucky beat him a few times as well...Great personality and my favorite all time sunday morning show...Listening to him hollar OSKI OSKI was classic lol.
 
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Looking back, I see Majors as a setup guy. He revived a program and put it on solid ground but never hit the next level of elite. PF took it to the next level but couldn't hang on.
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VolBeef88 said:
I was with you until I heard him bash UT and belittle us in front of other fans. If Fulmer does that I will have no use for him as well.
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I think a lot of that has to do with that big knife sticking out of his back...You would be bitter too if the school had done that to you.
 
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utvolpj said:
Looking back, I see Majors as a setup guy. He revived a program and put it on solid ground but never hit the next level of elite. PF took it to the next level but couldn't hang on.
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Good way to look at it...I still enjoyed Majors offense much better than Fulmers
 
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New era's should bring a positive outlook of the future, and bring us good memories of the past. Why should we dwell on the negatives of our past coaches? They were both crucial in the development of our program, and should get a warm reception everywhere they go that have Vols present. Anything less, is classless and pathetic. Let by-gone's be by-gone's.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
I think a lot of that has to do with that big knife sticking out of his back...You would be bitter too if the school had done that to you.
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the quote that comes to mind is, "coaches are hired to be fired." coaching at that level requires a thick skin and a willingness to move on. i'm not saying its right, its just the way the "industry" is.
 
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Fulmer said he would help the coach that replaced him. Majors, yesterday, would not even mention Fulmer by name. How is this guy 100% Vol.

He is a bitter old man!
 
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I really do not like to deal in hypothetical situations, but I cannot resist this one. If Fulmer (as interim head coach) had lost at uga and to the gators, would his star have been as bright? I do not think so. Granted, he was on his way to becoming a HC at a major university but I think those big wins are what sent him to the position he held for 17 years.
 
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VOLnMiami said:
I think a lot of that has to do with that big knife sticking out of his back...You would be bitter too if the school had done that to you.
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I dont care what. Bashing UT in front of other fans is not acceptable IMO. He has shown no class. And if you think his offense was better than you like the running game and punting on 3rd down.

If Fulmer bashes UT I will have no use for him as well. Both are gone both earned ther pink slip. So far one is showing class the other is not.
 
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dickens821 said:
Majors also had a ridiculous turnover on his staff. It's much easier to have former staff members that go on to become head coaches when you have that many more assistants.
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But Majors went after smart, motivated, fast track guys. John Gruden, Lovie Smith, Kippy Brown, etc... those guys were too talented and career minded to toil as an assistant in one place very long. Majors didn't seem to have a problem with successful young coaches working under him... fulmer did.
 
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VolinConcord said:
I really do not like to deal in hypothetical situations, but I cannot resist this one. If Fulmer (as interim head coach) had lost at uga and to the gators, would his star have been as bright? I do not think so. Granted, he was on his way to becoming a HC at a major university but I think those big wins are what sent him to the position he held for 17 years.
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But he did win the games as head coach and many of us who were around then had doubts Majors would have won those games. So a hypothetical is not needed.
But had he not then the answer is no. Dickey did not want to hire Fulmer because he wanted to clean house. But fan pressure and booster pressure caused it to happen. Until fulmer started raking in the wins Dickey was not sold on Fulmer.
 
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dickens821 said:
the one that Fulmer ran as OC?
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No the 1980's version...I believe that was Al Saunders offense but not 100% sure...We used a nice variety of formations back then...Option plays, Split backs etc, Fulmers was lineup in the I or shotgun...Bout it
 
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VolBeef88 said:
But he did win the games as head coach and many of us who were around then had doubts Majors would have won those games. So a hypothetical is not needed.
But had he not then the answer is no. Dickey did not want to hire Fulmer because he wanted to clean house. But fan pressure and booster pressure caused it to happen. Until fulmer started raking in the wins Dickey was not sold on Fulmer.
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Thank you for your answer, that queston has been on mind for awhile now. Back then the information highway consisted of word of mouth and what information you read in the paper.
 
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