The Debate about "Stars" (merged)

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VolsFan4Ever-11

VolsFan4Ever-11

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Some of the posters on here complain when we get a 3* high character player to commit. They are some of the same people who blasts the 5* thugs like Nuke who gets booted off of the team. At the state of our university is, we should be happy right now that at least a 3* star recruit wants to be here and play for the big orange nation. I know that these 5* star players (the good ones) are what great teams are made out of, but right now, there is no 18 year old player who is a 5* star recruit would want to play for us, as poorly as we have played the past few seasons.

I know I may get blast for this, but just be thankful that even a 3* recruit wants to play for us right now. GBO!!
 
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Who said our 3 stars had high character? I'll take a thug 3 star any day.(posted sarcastically)
 
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then why did 4 and 5 * recruits flock here when fulmer left? thats a serious question. and nu'keese was a 4*. just sayin
 
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Isn't this a rehash of countless posts on numerous threads?
 
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You know what else cracks me up...The fact that if we have 3 star commits they undoubtably have high character, and that 5 star commits are narcissistic thugs.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
That is what most posters on here are referring to them as.
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Most, really?

this is plain false. Just because you're arguing with a few posters in another thread doesn't mean the majority put their stamp on it too. Seriously.
 
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KB5252 said:
Most, really?

this is plain false. Just because you're arguing with a few posters in another thread doesn't mean the majority put their stamp on it too. Seriously.
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Actually go back through months of threads on here, and see how many posters call the players Dooley is getting as "high character" players.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
That is what most posters on here are referring to them as.
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I get what you are saying, but thuggary and high character intermingle through all star categories. Some posters on here just like to stereotype.

I was a two star recruit coming out of high school, but I guarantee you I was a thug.(once again, posted sarcastically)
 
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TennVOLS93 said:
then why did 4 and 5 * recruits flock here when fulmer left? thats a serious question. and nu'keese was a 4*. just sayin
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Because like it or not Kiffin brought a recruiting energy to the program that we will likely never see again. Some say that's a good thing. Some say that's a bad thing. But there is no denying....
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Actually go back through months of threads on here, and see how many posters call the players Dooley is getting as "high character" players.
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I'm sorry but not everyone is privy to the rigorous background checks and the character tests on recruits you've obviously administered to date.

We (as a fan base) simply don't know whether these kids are "high character" or not. We may not have heard anything bad but your guess that they're upstanding citizens is no better than others guesses of thuggery. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
 
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PMC2726 said:
Because like it or not Kiffin brought a recruiting energy to the program that we will likely never see again. Some say that's a good thing. Some say that's a bad thing. But there is no denying....
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hell i know thats exactly right. thats what i miss most from the p.o.s. but now we know he done half of it against 'AA rules. aint that just grand? and if i had to guess, fat ed and monte, and lance got most of 'em.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Some of the posters on here complain when we get a 3* high character player to commit. They are some of the same people who blasts the 5* thugs like Nuke who gets booted off of the team. At the state of our university is, we should be happy right now that at least a 3* star recruit wants to be here and play for the big orange nation. I know that these 5* star players (the good ones) are what great teams are made out of, but right now, there is no 18 year old player who is a 5* star recruit would want to play for us, as poorly as we have played the past few seasons.

I know I may get blast for this, but just be thankful that even a 3* recruit wants to play for us right now. GBO!!
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Really? I'm glad you're not a recruiter. I do agree that I'm pumped no matter what the star rankings but you sound more like a chick who gets dumped so she goes for the ugly guy cuz he's safe.
 
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KB5252 said:
I'm sorry but not everyone is privy to the rigorous background checks and the character tests on recruits you've obviously administered to date.

We (as a fan base) simply don't know whether these kids are "high character" or not. We may not have heard anything bad but your guess that they're upstanding citizens is no better than others guesses of thuggery. The truth is usually somewhere in the middle.
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I agree with what you are saying. I'm just trying to make a point of how bent out shape some people on here get when we have a 3* guy commit. I want the 5* guys as much as everybody else, but I also realize where our program is, and we should just be happy that 3* guys want to play here right now

I completely agree though with what you are saying.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
I know I may get blast for this, but just be thankful that even a 3* recruit wants to play for us right now. GBO!!
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No need to blast you but c'mon, TN fans have no reason whatsoever to "just be thankful" for 3* players. We signed a top 10 class last year.
 
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MikeDVol said:
Really? I'm glad you're not a recruiter. I do agree that I'm pumped no matter what the star rankings but you sound more like a chick who gets dumped so she goes for the ugly guy cuz he's safe.
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Why would a top notch recruit want to come and play here right now, where our program is at the moment.
 
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VolsFan4Ever-11 said:
Why would a top notch recruit want to come and play here right now, where our program is at the moment.
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playing time, national TV exposure, facilities, SEC, getting noticed by nfl scouts(lol). not every recruit would want a ring over playing time.
 
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My whole point to this thread is that as fans, we should not get upset when a player wants to come and play for UT. We should be happy that we have another recruit (even though its not the 5* type that we all are wanting).
 
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There is an ongoing theme on Volnation, as of late, and that is the Star Debate.

We have one side, who proclaims that any player below a 4* is doomed to failure and will be nothing.

On the other side, we have the "diamonds in the rough" crowd, who believes that every 3* recruit that we get will turn out to be "legend" and do wonderful things at UT

Then you have the reasonable crowd. The ones who truly understand recruiting. The ones that understand that the stars dont make the player, its just a way to sell subscriptions to Rivals and Scout websites. To hype up the off-season. A way to make money off the College Football fan during the off season.

If the scouting services and star system was so great and perfect, why do coaches spend so much time watching film, going to games, and evaluating players? Rivals and Scout does that for them already. They even rank them for them. The coaches should play more golf, fish, or play parcheesi during the season. Why bother?

In recruiting, there is no such thing as a sure bet. Its like gambling, you take chances and sometimes you hit and sometimes you miss. Plain and simple. The only ones who win the most are the ones that study the film, evaluate the talent themselves. You can not rely on someone else to do your work for you. See Fulmer and Bobby Bowdens last seasons for an example.

Another thing is you dont recruit players that dont fit your system. Its useless. It wont work. It may in NCAA '11, but not in the real world.

Can you move a 5* lineman to QB? He's a 5*, he should be able to do anything, right?

You have to recruit to fit your type of play and to fill the needs. If you have to fill holes in the OL and DL, you wont get a lot of 5* talent at those positions. Maybe a half a dozen a year to spread between 117 teams. Its slim pickins.
You will have to fill your needs with 3* players. Its a fact. Every team does it, not just Tennessee.

I know this post wont make a difference in the opinion of some on this forum, who in my opinion, find any reason they can to bash the current staff, but it makes me feel better to share my thoughts on the matter.

Go Vols!!!
 
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Stars? What did schools do before some man came up with the idea of getting kids to pay to come to a camp. Then selling his goods and services of "his" expert predictions of how kids will preform when in pads as compared to how they looked in shorts. There are alot of All-Americans in shorts!
 
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