The comment in this article towards UT was not necessary

[LegendofNation]

the current head football coach at the university of tennessee knoxville.

We have a coach at University of Tennessee? Hmmm, I be darned. I thought we had a hand-clapping butt-slapping circus clown.

Silly me!

 

[hatvol96]

We have a coach at University of Tennessee? Hmmm, I be darned. I thought we had a hand-clapping butt-slapping circus clown.

Silly me!

Rock on, LoN, rock on.

 

[utvolpj]

We have a coach at University of Tennessee? Hmmm, I be darned. I thought we had a hand-clapping butt-slapping circus clown.

Silly me!

I hear we just got one in the Nation too...

 

[rwemyss]

The only reason I think this is a potshot is that this guy is already at freakin' MIAMI, with a long history of felons and guys that get in trouble. Plus the other team in the article that he is "interested" in is WVU, who ALSO has had recent legal troubles. :dunno: Oh well, I'm already over it. :biggrin2:

 

[VolinArizona]

We have a coach at University of Tennessee? Hmmm, I be darned. I thought we had a hand-clapping butt-slapping circus clown.

Silly me!

Try harder.

 

[anthroVOL99]

I don't know about that. We've had as many bad actors as anyone. If you are considered to be too much trouble for us, there are only two possibilities. One, you really can't play. Two, you are a future 3 strikes poster boy.

It may be true we have had as many bad apples as other programs, but we have had a record of getting rid of them regardless of talent or contribution to the team. One of the commentors to Mandel's blog mentioned Smith, Magruder, and Jones. All three of them were starter material and were projected to start or at least play a lot at some point, but they were released from the team for disciplinary issues. Other schools (Oregon, Oklahoma, and Louisville, respectively) snatched them up gratefully and made starters or significant contributors out of them. so apparently there are at least 3 other schools out there with significantly lower standards than UT in terms of character issues.

That being said, I thought Howie Mandel's comment was not only inappropriate, but largely unfounded.

 

[hatvol96]

It may be true we have hasd as many bad apples as other programs, but we have had a record of getting rid of them regardless of talent or contribution to the team. One of the commentors to Mandel's blog mentioned Smith, Magruder, and Jones. All three of them were starter material and were projected to start or at least play a lot at some point, but they were released from the team for disciplinary issues. Other schools (Oregon, Oklahoma, and Louisville, respectively) snatched them up gratefully and made starters or significant contributors out of them. so apparently there are at least 3 other schools out there with significantly lower standards than UT in terms of character issues.

That being said, I thought Howie Mandel's comment was not only inappropriate, but largely unfounded.

Where did we send Tony McDaniel? The fact that we ditched guys after repeated disciplinary issues doen't really prove anything. The fact those guys went other places and didn't encounter similar problems may well be an even bigger indictment on the lax nature in which TCHFCATUTK handles the program's business.

 

[Lexvol]

There was a tremendous disconnect between Phil and this team throughout the spring and summer of 05. One has to look no further than the NC predictions from CPF himself to prove that. If fans think anyone is going to forget about all the discipline problems from a year ago they are mistaken.

That being said, we wouldn't even be responding to this if UT didn't feel implicated in the Williams situation, and wasn't compelled to issue a ridiculous public denial of his recruitment. This should have been handled personally without drawing all the attention.

 

[anthroVOL99]

Where did we send Tony McDaniel? The fact that we ditched guys after repeated disciplinary issues doen't really prove anything. The fact those guys went other places and didn't encounter similar problems may well be an even bigger indictment on the lax nature in which TCHFCATUTK handles the program's business.

Didn't encounter other problems? Onterrio Smith's experience with the NFL's substance abuse policy is well documented.

I am not saying UT has been perfect in handling those situations every time, as Tony McDaniel's case points out. I just don't buy the idea that only scrubs with no playing time are disciplined. If McDaniel wasn't released, it wasn't because he was a star. I guess you can point to Jamal Lewis and Travis Henry based on their NFL experience, but I don't recall hearing about issues with them until after they were gone. We can only speculate what would have been done (or wasn't done) with them had some of that surfaced back then.

 

[hatvol96]

Didn't encounter other problems? Onterrio Smith's experience with the NFL's substance abuse policy is well documented.

I am not saying UT has been perfect in handling those situations every time, as Tony McDaniel's case points out. I just don't buy the idea that only scrubs with no playing time are disciplined. If McDaniel wasn't released, it wasn't because he was a star. I guess you can point to Jamal Lewis and Travis Henry based on their NFL experience, but I don't recall hearing about issues with them until after they were gone. We can only speculate what would have been done (or wasn't done) with them had some of that surfaced back then.

What does the NFL have to do with Oregon? If we're going to count that, UT gets the Leonard Little/Dewayne Goodrich body counts.

 

[vader]

What does the NFL have to do with Oregon? If we're going to count that, UT gets the Leonard Little/Dewayne Goodrich body counts.

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[allvol]

What does the NFL have to do with Oregon? If we're going to count that, UT gets the Leonard Little/Dewayne Goodrich body counts.

He got into trouble at Oregon..... they just hide it better :biggrin2:

Your logic is more faulty than usual on this one hatty. Wait and bash the Vols on another issue.

 

[hatvol96]

He got into trouble at Oregon..... they just hide it better :biggrin2:

Your logic is more faulty than usual on this one hatty. Wait and bash the Vols on another issue.

That's funny, the only people who seem to think we don't set the standard for off field criminality these days are the Fulmerites. I stand by all of my comments in this thread.

 

[jakez4ut]

That's funny, the only people who seem to think we don't set the standard for off field criminality these days are the Fulmerites. I stand by all of my comments in this thread.

i think i know what you mean....i look at it like this....

over the past 5 years or so TN has gotten a reputation for running a loose ship, having guys on our team with multiple off the feild issues and doing little or nothing to correct and prevent. right or wrong, that's a perception some have.

now as to guys that have transferred as a result or didn't get in to trouble until after their time at UT (be in the NFL or another shcool) still has a certain reflection on TN....

Leonard Little is a good example....this guy is a two time loser on the DUI with death involved. and he went to UT. now whether or not he had any issues while at UT really isn't the point....everytime they show his face during an NFL game and it lists Tennessee as his alma mater, some people will look at that as a way to propagate the perception of TN only having thugs and people of lower characher playing here. Those people don't know or care if he had any issues while at TN, just that "there's another one that went to TN".

jmo. but again, the article, i don't think is any big deal.

 

[milohimself]

I gotta go with hat on this one, allvol. When the Vols are becoming the most used butt of player discipline-related jokes, we've got problems. And national perception is exactly the problem it creates. Especially when we have to rely so heavily on out of state recruits.