The Clawson Complex

#26
#26
lacrossepro70 said:
The fact that it took UT this long to have recievers that moved around in different formations instead of a constant X Y is pretty sad.
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They never had just a constant X/Y. The reason O'Neal never saw meaningful time is because a WR at UT had to learn every WR position.
 
#28
#28
orange+white=heaven said:
In scanning through old articles from Clawson's days at Richmond and even before, one quickly notes how often the words 'complex' and 'intricate' are used in reference to his offense. The same things are now being written by Tennessee beat writers.

From spring, I could see with my own eyes that there is a lot happening after the snap. While there seem to be only a few base formations, the responses to the defense when the play begins are meant to be myriad.

There have been more than a few folks hereabouts who remain unconvinced that Phil Fulmer will not ultimately take a vice grip to offensive playcalling this season.

This offense is the fruit of about two decades labor for Dave Clawson. I'm excited to see what a bump in talent will do for his philosophies to date.

The question is this. If Fulmer really wanted to sieze the offense, could he? What's been installed this spring can only be run by it's papa, Dr. Dave. Fulmer I think has given Tennessee an offense he probably could not call, outside of trends related to game momentum...

If I'm right, the cynics have less to fret about.
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I'm less worried about Phil taking over, than our athlethes grasping the complexities, before starting SEC Play
 
#32
#32
Most likely the booth, He can get a better look at his formations and the other teams defensive formations to make adjustments if needed...I am really wondering if DC is gonna pull out all the stops against UCLA and show everything or will he be a bit more conservative against them and not show UF anything different than they already know?....Everybody will be watching that first game with all the excitement of a new offense in the air, I just wonder what kind of gameplan he might draw up to fool some people...He's a smart coach so I am going to be really curious.
 
#33
#33
I hope he ends up in the box , IMO the OC needs to have a view of how the defense is lining up and adjusting to the plays he's calling.
 
#34
#34
VOLnMiami said:
Most likely the booth, He can get a better look at his formations and the other teams defensive formations to make adjustments if needed...I am really wondering if DC is gonna pull out all the stops against UCLA and show everything or will he be a bit more conservative against them and not show UF anything different than they already know?....Everybody will be watching that first game with all the excitement of a new offense in the air, I just wonder what kind of gameplan he might draw up to fool some people...He's a smart coach so I am going to be really curious.
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i posed that question in another thread, but dont believe it ever got a response. personally, i think he will save a little something for Florida but will not hold back against UCLA.
 
#35
#35
orange parmejohn said:
i posed that question in another thread, but dont believe it ever got a response. personally, i think he will save a little something for Florida but will not hold back against UCLA.
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I would think he would show only as much as he needs to show to win. Hopefully we are winning by a good margin off the run game and the play action and don't need to pull out any G-Guns or the Gerry Berry Package.
 
#36
#36
lawgator1 said:
Not once, but twice.
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I think we have great athletes and they have show that they can be disciplined on the field. So I donÂ’t care where joeblo the sports guru at ESPNOT and FOXY SPORTS pre ranks us cause that doesnÂ’t mean nothing, I just want to know if were going to throw that stupid swing out pass to the right and to the left with out the proper screen in place, cause that play sucks BAD!!!
 
#37
#37
You guys act like his offense is based on nuclear physics or something as is set to save the world. It's football for God sakes. If a bunch of 18 year old jocks can pick it up in a few months then PF definately can. I think you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment by expecting some drastic change offensively.
 
#38
#38
UT IE 95 said:
If the players are learning the plays, formations, and decsions, don't you think CPF could learn them as well?
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More to the point, Fulmer HAS TO learn the playbook. Imagine the fallout if CDC was running a successful offense but died in a car wreck (or got cancer, or had a stroke, or whatever) halfway through the season, and nobody else knew how to call the plays. That would be grounds for an immediate termination of Fulmer, et al.
 
#39
#39
rexvol said:
Im not completely sold on that. As crucial as this year is, do you honestly believe that Phil is going to keep his nose out of it?
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What makes this year so crucial? If anything this year has more excuses available. A new offense, a new QB, low national expectations as compared to Fla or Ga. Pressures off this year.
 
#40
#40
Fulmer has shown me enough in the last 2 years to think that he will leave the offense alone. It seems like he is finally coming around on the direction that college football is taking. Hopefully he doesn't regress.
 
#41
#41
VOLnMiami said:
Most likely the booth, He can get a better look at his formations and the other teams defensive formations to make adjustments if needed...I am really wondering if DC is gonna pull out all the stops against UCLA and show everything or will he be a bit more conservative against them and not show UF anything different than they already know?....Everybody will be watching that first game with all the excitement of a new offense in the air, I just wonder what kind of gameplan he might draw up to fool some people...He's a smart coach so I am going to be really curious.
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Given that the entire offense is predicated on responding to the defensive look across the line from you, I don't think it matters much. In theory, the play that gets run is the one that is open on the field. Anyone could get the ball in any situation. Study a few games of that Alligators, then decide what you want to do.
 
#42
#42
TennesseeT said:
You guys act like his offense is based on nuclear physics or something as is set to save the world. It's football for God sakes. If a bunch of 18 year old jocks can pick it up in a few months then PF definately can. I think you guys are setting yourself up for disappointment by expecting some drastic change offensively.
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I imagine ole Phil can 'pick it up'. Fact remains it is Clawson's offense, the one he's been noodling with for a very long time, Fulmer I'm sure realizes he doesn't want any part of calling it, let alone teaching it between games.


I'm not ogling Einstein here. I'm talking about football.

For God sakes...
 
#43
#43
orange+white=heaven said:
I imagine ole Phil can 'pick it up'. Fact remains it is Clawson's offense, the one he's been noodling with for a very long time, Fulmer I'm sure realizes he doesn't want any part of calling it, let alone teaching it between games.


I'm not ogling Einstein here. I'm talking about football.

For God sakes...
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:eek:lol:
 
#44
#44
From an earlier post concerning the UCLA game, if Phil & Clawson can show the offense and a few new dynamic wrinkles while winning at UCLA, I think they do it. For the main reason as this is a recruting game scheduled in prime time for UT. A win with some style looks good for a new OC, especially one that does not have previous school ties.



With the same thought, the same can be said for a bad defeat as well.
 
#45
#45
I don't jump in on football conversations very often because most valid points have already been made. Having said that, it seems to me that one major point on this subject is missing in this tread. I don't think Phil will call the plays play by play but I do expect that he will be a big influence in what plays get called and when. I'm sure he and CDC have had and will have many conversations on what play to call in what situation about how many "trick" plays can be called per game and what Phil expects from his O. CDC SHOULD have high respect for Phil. Whether you like or hate Phil he has a very impressive resume. If we were looking for a coach and hired someone with his resume every one of us would be thrilled.:popcorn: So CDC will listen and try to learn from Phil.:unsure: Like it or not.:whistling: So in conclusion CDC has a boss to answer to every week on his weekly projects and if his work is substandard he will hear about it but that work will be done with supervision and approVOL. :twocents:
 
#46
#46
lacrossepro70 said:
I don't. He let Randy Sanders run the offense to the day he was fired. Clearly he wouldn't have gone to such a strange candidate if he wasn't prepared to lay off.
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That's not completely accurate. Fulmer let Sanders run the offense if things were working out. If they were not, Fulmer would dictate what was to be done.
 
#47
#47
boy oh boy what a bunch of mixed responses. handcuffing phil on calling plays. along with what some have said heres my 10 cents worth and how i think it will go. Clawson will be in the booth. He will use his brains, study defenses and their tendencys, and call the plays accordingly. However, phil will be on field, use the tone of game and what he sees and hears from the players to give his opinion. Like Clawson said the bad part of not being on the field is having a feel of the game and whats goin on. So with Fulmers experience whether hes called plays in the past all or part time experience and brains will be used together. Yes, close situations Phil will tell Clawson what he wants and then Dave can call it accordingly. Ive not looked at this situation like this in this much depth yet but i have answered my own questions. I think Cutcliff was as bad for broken record play calling and was right with Fulmer on the conservative way of seeing things and thats why we all could call the plays from the stands and TV. Clawson will call the plays and Phil will prob. ask him what hes seeing in the so and so area and call the plays that way.

IF YOU HAVE NEVER COACHED AS MUCH AS PEE WEE FOOTBALL THEN YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT IT IS LIKE HAVING TO CALL PLAYS. IF YOUR ON THE FIELD YOU THINK YOU SEE THE OBVIOUS AND IT ISNT NECESARILY THERE. WHAT WE SEE ON TV AND FROM THE STANDS IS ALLOT DIFFERENT. SO FOR ALL THE PRO PLAY CALLERS SITTIN ON COUCH IT ISNT THAT EASY TO CALL PLAYS SO GIVE THEM SOME CREDIT!

Thats my 10 cents worth and i think that would and will work well:)
 
#48
#48
TennesseeT said:
What makes this year so crucial? If anything this year has more excuses available. A new offense, a new QB, low national expectations as compared to Fla or Ga. Pressures off this year.
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Rex
thinks it could be Fulmer's last
 
#49
#49
rexvol said:
I hope you're right. And let me clarify, I dont think phil will call the plays, but when faced with a 3rd and goal from the one ft line, I think Phil's going to choose the call. I dont think it'll stop there though. Phil will influence the play selection all over the field. That being said, I hope I am completely wrong and that Phil gives CDC complete freedom to do his thing.
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I personally think that CPF will layoff the calling even in close situations. He knows his butt is on the line and if he can deflect some of the criticism if it does of work........well that's where CDC comes in. Phil ain't no idiot. If he can delegate and protect his job then so shall it be.
 
#50
#50
orange+white=heaven said:
In scanning through old articles from Clawson's days at Richmond and even before, one quickly notes how often the words 'complex' and 'intricate' are used in reference to his offense. The same things are now being written by Tennessee beat writers.

From spring, I could see with my own eyes that there is a lot happening after the snap. While there seem to be only a few base formations, the responses to the defense when the play begins are meant to be myriad.

There have been more than a few folks hereabouts who remain unconvinced that Phil Fulmer will not ultimately take a vice grip to offensive playcalling this season.

This offense is the fruit of about two decades labor for Dave Clawson. I'm excited to see what a bump in talent will do for his philosophies to date.

The question is this. If Fulmer really wanted to sieze the offense, could he? What's been installed this spring can only be run by it's papa, Dr. Dave. Fulmer I think has given Tennessee an offense he probably could not call, outside of trends related to game momentum...

If I'm right, the cynics have less to fret about.
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I think Fulmer's been more hands off since the Randy Sanders experiment. he should focus on what he does best, recruit; and let the coordinators do the job they are paid to do.
 
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