the classic pocket passer.

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orange_fan_inVa

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i was just wanting some opinnions from anyone on what i hear alot of people saying. the days of the classic pocket passer are almost done, you are either gona have to have a dual threat qb or atleast a 2 qb system if you are gona win at the college and even hs level.

this is due to the fact that kids are getting so much faster and stronger at all posistons,not just the skill spots. there is a kid at one of our rival high schools that is 6'3 296 lbs and runs a 4.48 40 in pads forinstance,and he is a DT and headed to either appy state or georgia southern. i cant belive he hasnt gotten any major attention from the 1A schools. and this is the same area of the country where thomas and julis jones played hs ball.
 
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The pure pocket passer will never die. All of the coaches playing 2 QBs wish they had 1 pure pocket passer they could rely on.
 
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orange_fan_inVa said:
i was just wanting some opinnions from anyone on i hear alot of people saying the days of the classic pocket passer are almost done, you are either gona have to have a dual threat qb or atleast a 2 qb system if you are gona win at the college and even hs level.

this is due to the fact that kids are getting so much faster and stronger at all posistons,not just the skill spots. there is a kid at one of our rival high schools that is 6'3 296 lbs and runs a 4.48 40 in pads forinstance,and he is a DT and headed to either appy state or georgia southern. i cant belive he hasnt gotten any major attention from the 1A schools.
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Don't really know what opinions you want, but I think the pocket passer will still be the QB of the NFL. They will like to see one who is mobile such as Jay Cutler or elusive as Peyton Manning, but I don't see the NFL going to the dual threat QB any time soon. The defenses are too fast, and they won't want to risk getting their top salary position hurt the way a dual threat does. If the NFL needs pocket passers, they will still exist on the college level. It may get to be where the teams running the pro style in college are less and less, but I doubt it disappears totally.
 
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orange_fan_inVa said:
there is a kid at one of our rival high schools that is 6'3 296 lbs and runs a 4.48 40 in pads forinstance,and he is a DT and headed to either appy state or georgia southern.
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comments like this are the reason no one bothers to dispute your "points."

The first guy at that size with those wheels who signs with Appy State, I'll give up watching college sports.
 
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thanks for the good responses, i agree with you 100% gavol. thats the way we try to do it, but you get so much second guessing as to why you had this kid in in the situation, and then teams tend to be too predictable when you have your dual threat guy in there.
 
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you got proof of that 4.48 40? There is zero chance he is that big and running that fast and hasn't gotten an offer from the USCw, TN, UGA, tOSU, UF, etc of the college football world.

p.s.: you ever watched the NFL combines? I ask b/c Im pretty sure you haven't been to the Nike camps over the summers to watch these kids run, and the combines are televised now. When you run the 40...you don't wear pads.
 
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DovaVol said:
you got proof of that 4.4.8 40? There is zero chance he is that big and running that fast and hasn't gotten an offer from the USCw, TN, UGA, tOSU, UF, etc of the college football world.
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See Proposition 48.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
comments like this are the reason no one bothers to dispute your "points."

The first guy at that size with those wheels who signs with Appy State, I'll give up watching college sports.
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well all i can say is i never witnessed the kid run that in the 40 but that is what we are told by his coaches, and we have played agaisnt him and seen what he can do, thats all i can tell you for certin, if anything were off id say he may be closer to 6'1 than 6'3 but i wouldnt know that for sure either, im just saying, some of you need to learn how to take statments in the right context , because i said i dont see why he hasent gotten any major intrest from the bigger schools, he possibley may have had some intrest from marshall and uva, but i dont know that for sure either, there could be accidemic issues, i dont know for sure. i take everything im told with a grain of salt.
 
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orange_fan_inVa said:
well all i can say is i never witnessed the kid run that in the 40 but that is what we are told by his coaches, and we have played agaisnt him and seen what he can do, thats all i can tell you for certin, if anything were off id say he may be closer to 6'1 than 6'3 but i wouldnt know that for sure either, im just saying, some of you need to learn how to take statments in the right context
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I would say read more, post less; but that would ruin the fun for alot of people
 
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BJSforVols said:
Don't really know what opinions you want, but I think the pocket passer will still be the QB of the NFL. They will like to see one who is mobile such as Jay Cutler or elusive as Peyton Manning, but I don't see the NFL going to the dual threat QB any time soon. The defenses are too fast, and they won't want to risk getting their top salary position hurt the way a dual threat does. If the NFL needs pocket passers, they will still exist on the college level. It may get to be where the teams running the pro style in college are less and less, but I doubt it disappears totally.
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I don't think I've ever seen "elusive" and "Peyton Manning" that close together in a sentence before. He is heady, he is aware, he has good footwork, but he does not elude.
 
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cotton said:
I don't think I've ever seen "elusive" and "Peyton Manning" that close together in a sentence before. He is heady, he is aware, he has good footwork, but he does not elude.
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I expected a response such as this. I heard it used for Peyton in one of his games by Troy Aikman of all people. After he said, I watched him and he's was actually dead on. He pointed out how Peyton is not mobile, but is very good at feeling the pressure and stepping up to avoid the rush or sideways to miss the speedy end. He also added that his quick release helps him avoid pressure. Next time you watch Peyton in a game when he's getting pressured pay attention and it actually doesn't sound far fetched.
 
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BJSforVols said:
I expected a response such as this. I heard it used for Peyton in one of his games by Troy Aikman of all people. After he said, I watched him and he's was actually dead on. He pointed out how Peyton is not mobile, but is very good at feeling the pressure and stepping up to avoid the rush or sideways to miss the speedy end. He also added that his quick release helps him avoid pressure. Next time you watch Peyton in a game when he's getting pressured pay attention and it actually doesn't sound far fetched.
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By that definition, Erik Ainge was one of the most "elusive" quarterbacks in college history.
 
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I wish we had a true pocket passer.......with true pocket presents!
 
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cotton said:
I don't think I've ever seen "elusive" and "Peyton Manning" that close together in a sentence before. He is heady, he is aware, he has good footwork, but he does not elude.
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Actually, he is very elusive for all of the reasons you mentioned above.
 
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cotton said:
By that definition, Erik Ainge was one of the most "elusive" quarterbacks in college history.
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a good example of an elusive qb that wouldnt be fast in a foot race would have ben the last colt qb, jim harbaugh.

thats something that is impossible to teach, you just have to have a feel for it, ainge was sucessfull because i would say 80% of of his passes were quick 3 step drops. i think thats something dave clawson should have looked at.
 
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