The Catch-22 of CKC's system

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37620VOL said:
I agree with you on that. I don't recall dating rumors on this board, but maybe there were. I just remember arguing about eyelashes and fingernails, you know, the important stuff.
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They surfaced when Ruby was kicked off the team and early in the season when Spearman was in a slump, attributing to her being sad about her girlfriend getting kicked off the team.
 
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brittannica said:
Yeah, there was a rumor of a messy love triangle involving Jersey, Last Tear, and Mikaylah at LSU last season. There is a reason only one of them is still there. I imagine Kim lost her mind over that.
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That's interesting. I thought Tear Poa and Smith were a couple, and that ended messy. Williams also had a gf (non-player) that was stirring up sh!t on social media.

Anyway, case in point.
 
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Amb3096 said:
They surfaced when Ruby was kicked off the team and early in the season when Spearman was in a slump, attributing to her being sad about her girlfriend getting kicked off the team.
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I got the impression that several players were close to Ruby, maybe none moreso than Latham. But Ruby's GF was not a player unless that developed between the door-kicking incident and getting kicked off the team.
 
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37620VOL said:
I got the impression that several players were close to Ruby, maybe none moreso than Latham. But Ruby's GF was not a player unless that developed between the door-kicking incident and getting kicked off the team.
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there was reporting on volquest (i think) they were still together at the time of the pot smoking incident and ruby was pulled over leaving the gf's apartment. Squandering that second chance that way is such a young person thing to do.
 
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Amb3096 said:
People here were saying that Whitehorn and Spearman were a couple.

Pretty sure that there were also player couples during both Kellie (Key/Horston) and Holly's (Massengill and ?) tenures.
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I have no way of knowing for sure, but my observations of their interactions pointed to Ruby and Zee being "bros," not a romantic couple. That's a significant relationship, unmarred by the complications, and sometimes downright ridiculousness, of sex. A loyal best friend relationship often trumps a romantic one in certain circles.

I suspect Zee's heart remains broken not at all because she lost a sex partner, but because her best bro broke a bond even deeper than that.

JMO.
 
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This is why I sometimes think a roster of good 4* players can be better than a few 5* players. My reasoning is that they may work harder and/or not be plagued with the poor attitude of being the star. At times it's why mid-majors can make a run at the NCAA tournament, fundamentally sound, yet still play for the team rather than themselves. I guess the word disciplined comes to mind.

But what do I know, I just ride the arm chair while coaching the TV. LOL.

Go Lady Vols! Win one of these upcoming games, purdy puh-leeze.
 
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Volfan2012 said:
Ruby just became the best player on Arizona St team. I don't know who else they will get before next season, but she is by far the most talented player they have now.
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Most likely true. Although they do have McKinna Brackens from UNLV. She's coming into her own and can shoot inside and outside. I suspect she will be a breakout player at Az St next year, although already having an impact now. It had to be a large adjustment from MW to Big12 play, but she's avg 15, 6, and 2 this year so far.
 
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brittannica said:
Yeah, there was a rumor of a messy love triangle involving Jersey, Last Tear, and Mikaylah at LSU last season. There is a reason only one of them is still there. I imagine Kim lost her mind over that.
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Rick Barnes seems to have figured out how to manage intra-squad romances.
 
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Amb3096 said:
One last thing to say about the culture. For the love of God, can coaches PLEASE implement a team rule that says that you can't date your teammates? Look, no good will ever come of this. It will probably end, and it will surely get ugly. Stop sh!tting where you eat! Your coach and teammates will thank you for this.
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…now you done it… 🤣🤣🤣🤙🏼🧡
 
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Rooster1 said:
They also shoot the ball at a much higher clip, some of which is system driven, but much of which is the result of just having better shooters. And that says nothing about their tenacity on defense and rebounding, which they have in spades. It’s a bad matchup. Did I mention Flaujae’s mom? 😉

Focus on page 2/8 and 3/8. Add in the hostile home venue and you get the point.



In the immortal words of Oddball, “Nobody said nothing about locking horns with no tigers baby”.

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“So many positive waves… 😉🤙🏼🧡
 
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Rooster1 said:
Yes of course, completely agree. But I was thinking more along the lines of “gamers” with some skills. Not necessarily AA’s, but players you might find in the starting lineups at an Iowa, Louisville, Michigan or some such team that are gamers and fill out a starting rotation around a few noteworthy star types. Puckett, Darby, Wynn, Striplin etc. as you mention were gamers of course, but whom amongst that group would have been a starter on a legit top 12ish team?
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Glue
 
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NeedOrange said:
The hockey sub is not a new idea. It's an elementary school gimmick to keep all the parents happy. It's not some fiendishly clever scheme and it is definitely in the wrong era. I don't know if you noticed it but we're in the era of 'My Brand'. Agents/managers/moms know the quickest way to riches is to develop a brand. Find a clever package and market it, get a bunch of clicks and make some money. Wining has nothing to do with making money. (see Cavinder twins) Recruiting today isn't completed until the recruit stops by the BDO (Brand Development Officer). Who has almost as much leverage with getting kids to sign as the head coach. How do you think Gottlieb got the number 1 recruits to go to a losing program. Where else are you going to develop a better brand? LA, Baby! LA! Sublimating yourself into a hockey line does your brand no good. Whatever springboard athletics give you to launch your brand is sublimated to walking off the court every 3 minutes. My advice for the LV future, call Andraya. She knows hoop, she knows marketing and everyone loves her. Stop paying your coaches $750,000. Give Coach Carter $3M a house and a couple of cars. See if she will come home. Just thinkin'
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…put the bong down or the she elf will pay a visit… 😉
 
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KTrain said:
I agree with all you said but one thing the OP left out of his street cred qualifications. KC has won a Natty and even though at a lower level. It has worked bringing coaches up from lower level. Take Nate Oats at Bama, he was a 11 year extremely successful high School coach with a State championship that used analytics and then an assistant at Buffalo and then hand picked in 2019 for Bama and in his 5th year he took a football school to the final 4 in Men's Basketball. There is just not 1 recipe for a HC.
There will never be another Pat, she stepped in to UT when college basketball for women was just bad and she worked her tail off to get recognition for a scraggly program. Nobody will ever do that again her records will never be broken because she was a pioneer, the landscape is totally different and nobody will ever have the roadblocks she had to encounter. Everyone knows WBB basketball is a lot better top to bottom right now than it has ever been, and one of, if not the main orchestrater of that was Pat.
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Pat took over the reins of a 25-2 team. A gentle reminder… a fact so few seem to remember.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
Eeeesh… 🎯
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Gonna disagree with Amb's "misfit toys" take. In preseason, NOBODY was referring to the Pauldo's Barker, Pawl, Civil and even Robertson as misfit toys It was widely deemed to be a top tier HS and Portal recruiting class.

I will give that expectations were too high that the freshman would come in and be world beaters from the first tip and that Jersey has, shall we say, not worked out as well as hoped for.

But it is the coaches job to meld this obviously talented players into a coherent unit. Perhaps I am going a bit Knoxlikeus here, but these players are not "misfit toys" that no coach make into successes. They are actually diamonds in the rough (and some are pretty darned polished actually) who have been mishandled.
 
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madtownvol said:
Perhaps I am going a bit Knoxlikeus here, but these players are not "misfit toys" that no coach make into successes. They are actually diamonds in the rough (and some are pretty darned polished actually) who have been mishandled.
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There were plenty of folks requesting a pump of the brakes on the freshmen and portal class. Difficult to maintain reasonable expectations in the face of grandiose ratings and preseason polling results.
 
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chuckiepoo said:
There were plenty of folks requesting a pump of the brakes on the freshmen and portal class. Difficult to maintain reasonable expectations in the face of grandiose ratings and preseason polling results.
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Exactly most teams know that you can't have 5 freshman playing large amounts of minutes and be very successful. Teams go after experienced players in the portal for a reason to fill their needs.
 
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Supposedly this has always been a part of Coop’s demeanor on the court, even in high school. High school coaches were aware of this and I think that is why many thought Dawn would be so good for her. She was a star for many years going back to playing varsity in middle school at a very small high school. Then you become a little fish in the big pond—quite the adjustment.

As I have said I was so happy Kellie got her to Tennessee and I wish she hadn’t had to sit out that year. I would have loved to see her playing with RJ! I truly believe she loves being a Lady Vol. I hope we have her one more year with a team with better chemistry. Honestly I don’t think she is the problem. Not when Kim said early on , this is Coop’s team. It seems like Kim has gotten away from that and made it seem like this is Mia’s team. But is that because of Dad? And on the other hand, maybe Coop felt like it was her team and then all of a sudden it wasn’t. Who knows? Anybody’s guess.
 
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madtownvol said:
Gonna disagree with Amb's "misfit toys" take. In preseason, NOBODY was referring to the Pauldo's Barker, Pawl, Civil and even Robertson as misfit toys It was a to tier HS and Portal recruiting class.

I will give that expectations were too high that the freshman would come in and be world beaters from the first tip and that Jersey has, shall we say, not worked out as well as hoped for.

But it is the coaches job to meld this obviously talented players into a coherent unit. Perhaps I am going a bit Knoxlikeus here, but these players are not "misfit toys" that no coach make into successes. They are actually diamonds in the rough (and some are pretty darned polished actually) who have been mishandled.
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I think amb was talking about some known questionable head cases they were assembling, along with some parents with a history. It was always a cultural gamble.
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There were plenty of folks requesting a pump of the brakes on the freshmen and portal class. Difficult to maintain reasonable expectations in the face of grandiose ratings and preseason polling results.
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Some of those grandiose preseason polls were the consensus opinion of those who coach and cover the game for a living. This team should have been better.
LV renaissance said:
It is the speculation tradition each year saying that absolutely this player or that player will leave and it rarely happens. Cooper was strongly predicted to leave after last year, some predicted that we would have lost most of the LV players from Kellie's era last year, Rickea was predicted not to come back for her 2nd year, and Puckett was said to be to leave after both her Sophomore and Junior years.
We can speculate on the meaning of the twin's father's upset social posts after a loss in which his kids did poorly, but that still is speculation. Remember, college is a time to get some individuation and emotional separation from overbearing parents. The other part of the twin's issue is what top team is going to take BOTH twins, especially given their respective performances. I would like to keep both twins as we have room, Mia has showed good potential, and yes, Mya played like a freshman. I imagine they both will improve, but no good team will ever want both to start together. You can overcome size differential with an excellent small player but it is a liability when you are playing two guards with major size disadvantages. So, hope they come back but I have a feeling Mr. Paldo will have angry posts wherever they go.
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Agree. Of the many things we don’t know what we’re talking about around here, who’s coming and going is top of the list. We never have a clue.
 
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madtownvol said:
Gonna disagree with Amb's "misfit toys" take. In preseason, NOBODY was referring to the Pauldo's Barker, Pawl, Civil and even Robertson as misfit toys It was widely deemed to be a top tier HS and Portal recruiting class.

I will give that expectations were too high that the freshman would come in and be world beaters from the first tip and that Jersey has, shall we say, not worked out as well as hoped for.

But it is the coaches job to meld this obviously talented players into a coherent unit. Perhaps I am going a bit Knoxlikeus here, but these players are not "misfit toys" that no coach make into successes. They are actually diamonds in the rough (and some are pretty darned polished actually) who have been mishandled.
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The freshmen were promising, but they are freshmen and one would expect them to do freshmen things, for good and bad. Truthfully, I was never sold on the portal players. Barker for her temperament, Robertson as an undersized inefficient volume shooter and Jersey as a wildcard. Sad to say, I thought Jersey had the potential to finally find her fit because of the style of play, but it seems like she’s barely a rotation player now.
 
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