The All-Time All-America team for college football's 150th anniversary

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99gator said:
At the collegiate level, I don’t know where you rank Tebow vs. Wuerffel, but I know where I rank Wuerffel vs. Manning.

Vince young, Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, Charlie Ward, etc., all should be chosen ahead of Manning
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I see that that none of these got chosen for the NFL All-Time Team, either. Oh, except Manning.
 
#103
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99gator said:
At the collegiate level, I don’t know where you rank Tebow vs. Wuerffel, but I know where I rank Wuerffel vs. Manning.

Vince young, Cam Newton, Deshaun Watson, Charlie Ward, etc., all should be chosen ahead of Manning
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For one year, yea, maybe. Career? NO!
 
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I hate how this thread/debate always comes up. Manning's college impact. Should he have won the heisman, etc.

The year after Manning we won a friggin national championship and I rarely see Martin mentioned. I rarely hear about Price. Manning is an absolute godsend to our program, but the infatuation with him (at a college level) is bewildering. We just crap on Tee and ignore him so much
 
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peaygolf said:
For one year, yea, maybe. Career? NO!
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Watson scored more TD's and had more total yards in his career than Manning and left school before his eligibility ran out.

Sophomore season (2015), he threw for over 4000 and ran for over 1000 in the same year.

The only game they lost that year was the national title game to Alabama where all he did was throw for over 400 yards 4 td's and 1 int and run for another 73. The following year he threw for 420 3td's and 0 ints in winning the national title over Alabama. Some guy named Smart was the DC for Alabama in 2015 and some guy named Pruitt was the DC for Alabama in 2016.

I saw both of those games and Peyton Manning never came close to having that kind of impact in a game against a team close to that quality while in college.

At the college level, Peyton Manning < Deshaun Watson.
 
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Let me say something before this looks like a Peyton bashing thread. I'll make an analogy.

People talk about the Dream Team all the time and that it was a travesty that Christian Laettner was the college representative and not Shaq.

However, if you were to compare resumes at the college level.....Christian Laettner all day, every day over Shaq. it's not close.

We all know Shaq is the better player. We all know Shaq had the better pro career. But, in college, who the better player was isn't even up to debate.

That is the exact kind of thing going on in this situation.
 
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#110
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99gator said:
Watson scored more TD's and had more total yards in his career than Manning and left school before his eligibility ran out.

Sophomore season (2015), he threw for over 4000 and ran for over 1000 in the same year.

The only game they lost that year was the national title game to Alabama where all he did was throw for over 400 yards 4 td's and 1 int and run for another 73. The following year he threw for 420 3td's and 0 ints in winning the national title over Alabama. Some guy named Smart was the DC for Alabama in 2015 and some guy named Pruitt was the DC for Alabama in 2016.

I saw both of those games and Peyton Manning never came close to having that kind of impact in a game against a team close to that quality while in college.

At the college level, Peyton Manning < Deshaun Watson.
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Also, Peyton wasn't asked to do everything Watson had to do. Just saying.....but I get what your saying about Watson.
 
#111
#111
99gator said:
Let me say something before this looks like a Peyton bashing thread. I'll make an analogy.

People talk about the Dream Team all the time and that it was a travesty that Christian Laettner was the college representative and not Shaq.

However, if you were to compare resumes at the college level.....Christian Laettner all day, every day over Shaq. it's not close.

We all know Shaq is the better player. We all know Shaq had the better pro career. But, in college, who the better player was isn't even up to debate.

That is the exact kind of thing going on in this situation.
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You are, of course, right. But you are never going to convince a segment of the Vol population that Peyton's pro accomplishments don't translate to his college resume. Even with that, there have actually been threads on here where posters have argued Peyton is better than Tom Brady. It just makes me feel bad for guys likes Tee Martin and Peerless Price who went undefeated and won the MNC. People rarely talk about them
 
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#112
CrybabyVol said:
You are, of course, right. But you are never going to convince a segment of the Vol population that Peyton's pro accomplishments don't translate to his college resume. Even with that, there have actually been threads on here where posters have argued Peyton is better than Tom Brady. It just makes me feel bad for guys likes Tee Martin and Peerless Price who went undefeated and won the MNC. People rarely talk about them
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The funny part is that I asked earlier in the thread for someone to name the "classic Peyton" or moments in his career and 3 of those situations popped into my head immediately about Tee.

The run against the Cuse to set up the field goal. The run against Florida to get Tennessee back in FG range in OT (people never mention this) and hitting Price in the Fiesta Bowl.
 
#113
#113
99gator said:
The funny part is that I asked earlier in the thread for someone to name the "classic Peyton" or moments in his career and 3 of those situations popped into my head immediately about Tee.

The run against the Cuse to set up the field goal. The run against Florida to get Tennessee back in FG range in OT (people never mention this) and hitting Price in the Fiesta Bowl.
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Martin isn’t ever listed because it was really just one year, but what a year he had. I know his Sr year was good, but not like ‘98. He was a special player and should not ever be overlooked when it comes to all time Vols.
 
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peaygolf said:
Martin isn’t ever listed because it was really just one year, but what a year he had. I know his Sr year was good, but not like ‘98. He was a special player and should not ever be overlooked when it comes to all time Vols.
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Tee was great as a manager and make some big plays when needed but Manning was a complete QB. Martin’s stats were similar to JG’s. People forget how lucky and average he was in the first two games. He threw 50/50 bombs to Peerless and was not accurate until the record breaking SC game when he finally found his rhythm. But then again had the defense and RBs in 1995 that Tee had in 1998, Tennessee would’ve went 12-0 and played Nebraska. Hell they dominated Florida for a half in their only loss that year
 
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CrybabyVol said:
I hate how this thread/debate always comes up. Manning's college impact. Should he have won the heisman, etc.

The year after Manning we won a friggin national championship and I rarely see Martin mentioned. I rarely hear about Price. Manning is an absolute godsend to our program, but the infatuation with him (at a college level) is bewildering. We just crap on Tee and ignore him so much
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The team was better the next year. People came to Tenn because of what Peyton helped build. That national title team was littered with crazy sophomore and junior talent, which means they were underclassmen when Peyton was there. It's not like Tee won with the same team. We can recognize and appreciate that Tee was great and won a title, but individually he can't touch Peyton.
 
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