Texas to spend $35-40m on 2025 roster

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BruiserVol said:
I posted about it when Texas joined the SEC. If anyone thought Bama or UGA were bad, bend over. Texas has some of, if not the best high school football facilities and teams in the US. They have an abundance of money. And now they have the last piece in a conference to brag about. I hope I’m wrong, but they are going to be more than a thorn in the side for the foreseeable future.
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Man, I hate I Alabama... I just dislike Texas, but man, I hate Alabama. It ain't that kinda crimson you can just sit with, yknow?
 
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Unfortunately, there will never be a "salary cap" in college sports unless the athletes form a players' union and come to a collective bargaining agreement. I shudder at the thought.

There is reform and legislation coming soon. To what extent? Who knows. But in the meantime, our wealthy donors, Spyre Sports Group, and The Volunteer Club simply need to just keep up. It shouldn't be that damn difficult. :mad:
 
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Gandalf said:
Well that is true.

btw- it is UTex, never UT, even when acknowledging its fakeness. Like never calling it orange, though it looks like they took our beloved Pantone 151C and mixed in dog feces and tried to pass it off as their own, (but I digress lol)
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So the story goes that on her way to the first UTex baseball game a student name Gussie Brown realized that the fans had no way of identifying themselves as UTex fans as the university was only a few years old and had no official colors. So some students went to a general store and got some ribbon to wear, and they just happened to get orange and white.

Which is just the darnedest reason for picking brown as your official color.
 
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UTodd01 said:
Unfortunately, there will never be a "salary cap" in college sports unless the athletes form a players' union and come to a collective bargaining agreement. I shudder at the thought.

There is reform and legislation coming soon. To what extent? Who knows. But in the meantime, our wealthy donors, Spyre Sports Group, and The Volunteer Club simply need to just keep up. It shouldn't be that damn difficult. :mad:
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I agree, I can spend other folks money so good too. Let's face it, asking fans to donate is a stupid way to get money when you are looking at Texas with oil money and their 5 big donors give 3x what spyre can get.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Seriously, do universities need to be in the pro sports business?
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Oklahoma and Georgia thought so (NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma in 1984), and here we are. Prior to that, the NCAA controlled how often games were nationally televised and who appeared. That got smacked down as restraint of trade. We all rag on the NCAA and rightfully so, but for us to not be where we are, someone with some forethought needs to dip back 40 years or so and say hey, this isn't going to end well or how you think it will probably, at all.

Edit: which isn't to say anyone wanted it to be pro sports, but that Oklahoma and Georgia wanted more control over how often they could be on TV and get visibility and so on. And TV is commercials, and commercials are money, etc etc. And I don't think it's possible to throw around billions of dollars without some guardrails in place to ensure it's all handled equitably. Or that it's especially ethical for everyone but the players on the field to be swimming in money.
 
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ArmchairQB said:
Oklahoma and Georgia thought so (NCAA v. Board of Regents of the University of Oklahoma in 1984), and here we are. Prior to that, the NCAA controlled how often games were nationally televised and who appeared. That got smacked down as restraint of trade. We all rag on the NCAA and rightfully so, but for us to not be where we are, someone with some forethought needs to dip back 40 years or so and say hey, this isn't going to end well or how you think it will probably, at all.

Edit: which isn't to say anyone wanted it to be pro sports, but that Oklahoma and Georgia wanted more control over how often they could be on TV and get visibility and so on. And TV is commercials, and commercials are money, etc etc. And I don't think it's possible to throw around billions of dollars without some guardrails in place to ensure it's all handled equitably. Or that it's especially ethical for everyone but the players on the field to be swimming in money.
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I completely agree. Schools knew there was a big market for sports on TV and huge contracts to be had if the NCAA would let them maximize it instead of limiting it AND the schools could take the money distribution from the NCAA.

As fans, we wanted Tennessee football and basketball on TV more often. I'm old enough to recall seeing UT, in black and white, once or twice a season and possibly in a New Year's bowl. It wasn't a multi billion dollar college football industry then and you lived with your ear close to a transistor radio or got your butt on a bench in Neyland to follow Vols games.

It seemed like a win-win. More sports access on TV, more money coming to the schools, and more TV ads to sell. Everybody was happy.

The value of the players to the schools, because of the massive contracts given to successful conferences and schools, became critically important. People dislike it but the value of the players went FAAAAAAAAR beyond the value of the exposure and the scholarship, which isn't to say they aren't valuable, but it's obvious from under the table and over the table payments that the schools were willing to pay more, sometimes much more, to win.

Has NIL made it get out of hand? Perhaps.
Is the genie going back in the bottle? I don't know. Are the fans willing to give up Saturdays full of football on TV? Doubtful. Is the SEC willing to drop the huge media revenue and cancel their contract with ESPN? No way.

Yet the fans complain, it's not like it used to be but a helluva lot of them have grown up with nothing but Saturday's full of college sports and have no idea that the NCAA fought to avoid all of this.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Yes. Yes, it is.

You are not acknowledging the escalation of NIL deals and what it means for teams now on the bottom financially. And soon, for teams like UT, more in the middle financially. I think you are not being realistic if you don't see the pattern here.

Teams at the top financially, like Texas, will spend the money, and win, and have more fan support and make more money.

Teams in the middle, like UT, can't keep up. And so will not be able to compete over the long haul, causing fan interest to dwindle. And therefore the $ to decrease.

It won't happen in two years. But unless something is done to get a handle on this, and quickly, it absolutely will happen.
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I'm 70 and my fandom of college sports is at an all-time low. I have no problem with kids being paid...although I do have a problem paying a 17 year old big money to come play for you. But, IMO the big major issue is the free portal. Fix the portal and it will eliminate most of the problems. Make it harder to just up and leave with no repercussions.

It appears now that because they couldn't control the heavy cheaters the old way....they've just made cheating legal. So now everyone can do what the cheaters were doing under the table above the table now.
 
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Tnphil said:
I'm 70 and my fandom of college sports is at an all-time low. I have no problem with kids being paid...although I do have a problem paying a 17 year old big money to come play for you. But, IMO the big major issue is the free portal. Fix the portal and it will eliminate most of the problems. Make it harder to just up and leave with no repercussions.

It appears now that because they couldn't control the heavy cheaters the old way....they've just made cheating legal. So now everyone can do what the cheaters were doing under the table above the table now.
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Tnphil said:
I'm 70 and my fandom of college sports is at an all-time low. I have no problem with kids being paid...although I do have a problem paying a 17 year old big money to come play for you. But, IMO the big major issue is the free portal. Fix the portal and it will eliminate most of the problems. Make it harder to just up and leave with no repercussions.

It appears now that because they couldn't control the heavy cheaters the old way....they've just made cheating legal. So now everyone can do what the cheaters were doing under the table above the table now.
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The combination of the two is the worst part of it, yes. I'm honestly not sure what the legality is of the portal and what could be done to restrict it. I'm seeing players on their fourth school in 2-3 years, just flipping year to year, often times not even a whole year.

If the portal was once a year and you had players sign for a minimum of two year,s great. But you can't force them to play. They could just sit there, take up a spot on your roster, and bleed you dry, waiting for their chance to enter the portal.
 
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If Texas doesn't win The Natty next year, that place will go crazy. 40 million is unbelievable. With that money they should be winning the championship back to back to back and in the foreseeable future
 
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Gandalf said:
Report: Texas football spending unprecedented money on 2025 roster

Vol faithful, if this is not complete BS, how are we going to compete in this new era? We know OSU spent some $25m+ on their nat champ winning roster and now we see this. Then I see people talking about us spending somewhere between $10-12m this year.

I get discount shopping but seriously, how do we compete if this kind of money is being thrown around?

Yes, money alone does not a great program or record make BUT lets be honest, if the top 5 programs are all spending above $20m a year and most are in our own league, how can we recruit without making the economics of going to a game completely out of reach (or is it already?).
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So Texas is taking a page from the OSU handbook? If we can't win a championship with our yearly top 5 classes, let's kick it up a notch and try and buy a championship. Sounds about right to me.
 
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orangemadam said:
I hope you are saying this tongue in cheek.

Of all Time? Simply NO! Possibly Top 5-6
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Are you joking? Modern era ( scholarship limits, black guys actually being allowed to play), who the heck is better? Sustained longer? Saw the game change pretty dramatically at the height of his dominance and adjusted to win 2 more natty’s. He’s without a doubt the best. Now if a coach comes along and wins 4 in this new transfer portal NIL Era, that coach may have a claim to GOAT.
 
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Otis1105 said:
Are you joking? Modern era ( scholarship limits, black guys actually being allowed to play), who the heck is better? Sustained longer? Saw the game change pretty dramatically at the height of his dominance and adjusted to win 2 more natty’s. He’s without a doubt the best. Now if a coach comes along and wins 4 in this new transfer portal NIL Era, that coach may have a claim to GOAT.
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Just a point of information here.

Black players started playing in the 50s and 60s. It took a bit in the south but well before Saban's coaching era.

Holloway was the first black SEC starting QB in 1972, I believe. Nick Saban was at Kent State as a player in 1972.
 
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Gandalf said:
Report: Texas football spending unprecedented money on 2025 roster

Vol faithful, if this is not complete BS, how are we going to compete in this new era? We know OSU spent some $25m+ on their nat champ winning roster and now we see this. Then I see people talking about us spending somewhere between $10-12m this year.

I get discount shopping but seriously, how do we compete if this kind of money is being thrown around?

Yes, money alone does not a great program or record make BUT lets be honest, if the top 5 programs are all spending above $20m a year and most are in our own league, how can we recruit without making the economics of going to a game completely out of reach (or is it already?).
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Let's hope they over paid players.
 
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Flogballs said:
Using MLB as the example, what team would you compare the Vols to?
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Probably close to the Braves. The problem is programs like Texas and Ohio State are comparable to the Yankees or Dodgers. So, we will have occasional success, but the teams that spend the most have the most championships in general. And I’m a huge Braves fan btw.
 
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DaddyChad said:
If it’s ballpark close yes. It teams are outspending by twice as much. Little to no chance. Told everyone Texas would ruin the damn conference like they do everything else. Texas will attempt to spend their way to a dynasty.
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Texas has money like most SEC states only dream of. Black gold. $40M for football is chump change.

They won't attempt, they will. If nothing happens legally to level the playing field, it's not that difficult to conclude that they will dominate. Imagine pro teams with no salary cap or budget limitations. They can afford to spend more for a single player (top QB, elite RB/WR, monster line, shut down corner) than some schools have for an entire squad.
 
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On one hand, you may look at the 25 million OSU spent (probably the highest of any school) last year and equate that with a guaranteed success of a national championship. All it takes is for your school to outspend the others.

However, I still believe that the more money you pay players, the more jealousy and infighting there will be on a team. If skill players are being paid millions and offensive line )not including left tackle) are being paid 100 or 200k, when does the immaturity of a 20 year old pop up and the players who feel underpaid cop a bad attitude. All it takes is a few, then it becomes every man for himself.
 
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NEO said:
Gonna have to be caps and unions etc. This is why a team like KC can compete and beat teams like Dallas.

Without a cap in college OSU, TX and the huge schools will be unstoppable.
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Even Texas Tech is in the top 5 of richest schools.
 
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DaddyChad said:
If it’s ballpark close yes. It teams are outspending by twice as much. Little to no chance. Told everyone Texas would ruin the damn conference like they do everything else. Texas will attempt to spend their way to a dynasty.
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If this is even remotely accurate and Tenn is in the 10-12 range, there's no way they're winning a natty.
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