Texas to spend $35-40m on 2025 roster

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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
With the lawsuits, which UT supported, I don't think you can legally keep an athlete from transferring when any other student can transfer nor can you impede their ability to earn NIL money by stopping them from playing if they do transfer when other students can transfer.

You can't legally stop a student from transferring just because they play sports nor prohibit their eligibility because they transferred. UT, via the State, supported that lawsuit.
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Which is more the reason the P4 schools should form an entirely and fundamentally new league. Each participating school uses a part of the massive TV revenue they would garner to establish a payroll, in part, similar to the NFL. They must also matriculate academically to remain on the payroll
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Isn't that the only year they've won an NL pennant since 2000? They've only played for the pennant a few times in the last 20 years.

They're not "top end" successful as a low spending MLB franchise. They usually have the big spender Dodgers or Giants beating them IF they get in the hunt.

The Braves aren't THAT successful running on mid level budget. They're....... mid level usually.
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They still won it. Not sure any mid range spender will win it consistently. That was my point. I'm good with that if the players are more loyal.
 
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Has anyone read the article? That $35-40M includes the $20M revenue sharing expected legislation.

That would be an NIL of $15-20M. Still more
Than us, but not dramatically if we are also part of that revenue sharing agreement as well.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Which is more the reason the P4 schools should form an entirely and fundamentally new league. Each participating school uses a part of the massive TV revenue they would garner to establish a payroll, in part, similar to the NFL. They must also matriculate academically to remain on the payroll
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If they form a pro league, it's extremely unlikely the player's union will agree to academics being involved. Why would they?
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If they form a pro league, it's extremely unlikely the player's union will agree to academics being involved. Why would they?
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If the NFL aligns with it, they absolutely will without question. Ever heard of a CBA? Of course you have, but that may be a requirement that the schools won't budge on, especially if a player can't enter the NFL without a minimum of college credits. Passing 72 hours in 3 years shouldn't be an issue. Passing 12 hrs a semester in good academic standing is the requirement now
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
If the NFL aligns with it, they absolutely will without question. Ever heard of a CBA? Of course you have, but that may be a requirement that the schools won't budge on, especially if a player can't enter the NFL without a minimum of college credits. Passing 72 hours in 3 years shouldn't be an issue. Passing 12 hrs a semester in good academic standing is the requirement now
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If they align with her NFL and NBA and MLB, those organizations have VERY strong players unions, particularly MLB where they won't even go for salary caps.

The NBA has the developmental league now without any college requirements, nor does the NBA itself.

The MLB minors have no college requirements, nor does the majors.

I'm not convinced the pro leagues care as much as you might think. Just because YOU like the idea doesn't mean it's good business for the pros.
 
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Dadof2Vols said:
Since we already had salary caps of zero and schools like Alabama were paying under the table and getting away with it….How are you going to police the Alabama(s) of the world in your NEW salary cap world?
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Honestly I don’t think we do police some things. P4 universities should start paying students. The whole amateurism argument sailed a long time ago, unless we all go pack up and watch Carson Newman or Maryville College instead. It’s just undeniably a big business now.

And I do think there should be a salary cap on actual wages, and that should be handled and policed by the conferences who compete with each other. That’s how you don’t have an arms race at the university and conference level that hurts the whole sport and wind up with only a few viable teams. It’s also a lot more honest than NIL packages where we pretend it’s about whose commercial you do and not where you play ball.

Once you’re paid though? Of course some college is going to say hey we’re already paying you as much as *we* can pay you. But I bet the car dealership down the road would love to have you for a commercial or two. That’s between y’all. And it probably should be. I don’t know that there’s an argument that some league is affected by who makes the most money for doing commercials, and some TV markets are worth more money than others. We’re always going to be more Packers than Cowboys. It is what it is.
 
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Gandalf said:
Report: Texas football spending unprecedented money on 2025 roster

Vol faithful, if this is not complete BS, how are we going to compete in this new era? We know OSU spent some $25m+ on their nat champ winning roster and now we see this. Then I see people talking about us spending somewhere between $10-12m this year.

I get discount shopping but seriously, how do we compete if this kind of money is being thrown around?

Yes, money alone does not a great program or record make BUT lets be honest, if the top 5 programs are all spending above $20m a year and most are in our own league, how can we recruit without making the economics of going to a game completely out of reach (or is it already?).
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If the top 5-10 programs have equally competent coaching staff, we simply won't be able to compete.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
If they align with her NFL and NBA and MLB, those organizations have VERY strong players unions, particularly MLB where they won't even go for salary caps.

The NBA has the developmental league now without any college requirements, nor does the NBA itself.

The MLB minors have no college requirements, nor does the majors.

I'm not convinced the pro leagues care as much as you might think. Just because YOU like the idea doesn't mean it's good business for the pros.
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It's just an idea, Man. And I think it would be great business for the NFL. We're being specific here in regards to football. A CFB player can't be drafted right now until the end of his third year playing the sport. It's entirely different in other professional leagues.Requirements to play at the highest level are extremely differentiated between the big 4 team sports
 
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ArmchairQB said:
Honestly I don’t think we do police some things. P4 universities should start paying students. The whole amateurism argument sailed a long time ago, unless we all go pack up and watch Carson Newman or Maryville College instead. It’s just undeniably a big business now.

And I do think there should be a salary cap on actual wages, and that should be handled and policed by the conferences who compete with each other. That’s how you don’t have an arms race at the university and conference level that hurts the whole sport and wind up with only a few viable teams. It’s also a lot more honest than NIL packages where we pretend it’s about whose commercial you do and not where you play ball.

Once you’re paid though? Of course some college is going to say hey we’re already paying you as much as *we* can pay you. But I bet the car dealership down the road would love to have you for a commercial or two. That’s between y’all. And it probably should be. I don’t know that there’s an argument that some league is affected by who makes the most money for doing commercials, and some TV markets are worth more money than others. We’re always going to be more Packers than Cowboys. It is what it is.
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If there's a salary cap, there will be collective bargaining with a players union.

A lot will change if it goes pro. There's a draft in every major pro sport. There's a lot of back and forth about revenue sharing and players tend to get paid more of the revenue in pro leagues. There are free agency rules concerning trades and contracts.

Seriously, do universities need to be in the pro sports business?
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
It's just an idea, Man. And I think it would be great business for the NFL. We're being specific here in regards to football. A CFB player can't be drafted right now until the end of his third year playing the sport. It's entirely different in other professional leagues.Requirements to play at the highest level are extremely differentiated between the big 4 team sports
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They are and the NFL could easily say you can't make the big leagues until you're 19 or whatever but I'm not sure they're interested in forcing school on someone like Corderelle Patterson who "didn't come here to play school, I came to play football."

I don't think the NFL wants the potential lawsuit of why it hires a player to play cornerback but insists that they take History purely because they are younger than regular NFL employees who have no such requirements.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
They are and the NFL could easily say you can't make the big leagues until you're 19 or whatever but I'm not sure they're interested in forcing school on someone like Corderelle Patterson who "didn't come here to play school, I came to play football."

I don't think the NFL wants the potential lawsuit of why it hires a player to play cornerback but insists that they take History purely because they are younger than regular NFL employees who have no such requirements.
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Of course he didn't attend the second semester of his third year. He had completed 3 football seasons. He was matriculating before his third season. He would have done so his entire 3rd year had that been a requirement
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Of course he didn't attend the second semester of his third year. He had completed 3 football seasons. He was matriculating before his third season. He would have done so his entire 3rd year had that been a requirement
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I just don't see how requiring college attendance helps a player train for the NFL. Like other minor league sports, that time can be spent being a full time athlete learning to play their position.

If you're associated with the NFL, you're a pro football player, that is your job. If your career never goes past the minors you can go to school after it's over if you choose that path or work in athletics or any of a number of jobs that don't require college.

I just cannot see the NFL being interested in anything but making you a better football player if you're their employee.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I just don't see how requiring college attendance helps a player train for the NFL. Like other minor league sports, that time can be spent being a full time athlete learning to play their position.

If you're associated with the NFL, you're a pro football player, that is your job. If your career never goes past the minors you can go to school after it's over if you choose that path or work in athletics or any of a number of jobs that don't require college.

I just cannot see the NFL being interested in anything but making you a better football player if you're their employee.
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Well, we have witnessed over the last few years how much the personal interviews affect draft position. Lots of the best/most talented players do well academically in college now. Certainly not all of them, but a large percentage these owners and GMs don't want malcontents anymore
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Well, we have witnessed over the last few years how much the personal interviews affect draft position. Lots of the best/most talented players do well academically in college now. Certainly not all of them, but a large percentage these owners and GMs don't want malcontents anymore
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I'm certainly not anti education but it's one thing for the NFL to NOT be paying you to be a football player, but it's entirely different when you've made that choice to play a sport professionally.

If I'm cutting a check for you in the minor league of any pro sport to try to get you to the next level as an owner or GM of an NFL team, I want you working toward that goal first and foremost and full-time.

If you want to go to school, knock yourself out but don't let it affect your job.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
I'm certainly not anti education but it's one thing for the NFL to NOT be paying you to be a football player, but it's entirely different when you've made that choice to play a sport professionally.

If I'm cutting a check for you in the minor league of any pro sport to try to get you to the next level as an owner or GM of an NFL team, I want you working toward that goal first and foremost and full-time.

If you want to go to school, knock yourself out but don't let it affect your job.
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Yes, BUT do well while you're in school
 
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S.C. OrangeMan said:
So much so that UT has sold out Neyland season tickets and has more than 20,000 on the waiting list. Oh, yes, it's terrible.
(Sarcasm intended)
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Season tickets can be sold out. Still doesn’t mean the ship isn’t headed for the proverbial iceberg. I think ruined is overstating it but we definitely have an issue and we need some guardrails put in place.
 
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Firebirdparts said:
NIL will never be capped. If pay-for-play gets legalized then there will be competition between schools trying to keep control (with plenty of money) and schools that are willing to give up control (also with plenty of money). I don't see a process where player costs can come down, really.
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Only way for that to possibly happen is for the schools/collectives to agree to set a cap. Which will never happen because the most wealthy schools know they have an advantage. IMO college football is never going to be what it was again.
 
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csheaton said:
There will be caps soon, hopefully.
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And then we'll just be right back to "money under the table" stuff like before. They are creating another problem. No school who seriously wants to win championships will care about a cap. i.e Bama, Auburn, USC...
 
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While I agree, they will never be as good as Alabama was under Saban in his prime. They will be extremely good, but they will be beatable.

I wish the data was available to see how much Alabama was paying players vs to the rest of the conference so we could compare that to what Texas is paying players vs the rest of the conference. My gut tells me Alabama was dominating the pay-for-play market even more so than Texas is currently.
 
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Gandalf said:
How do we compete if this kind of money is being thrown around?
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We don't. College football is going to discover in the most painful possible way why all pro sports have CBA rules enforcing competitive balance.
 
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