Tennessee's Population (the recruiting excuse)

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Rasputin_Vol

Rasputin_Vol

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Tennessee - 17th in population (6,038,803)
Alabama - 23rd in population (4,599,030)
South Carolina - 24th in population (4,321,249)
Louisiana - 25th in population (4,287,768)

Nobody can use the excuse that we are a small state when Bama, Lousiana, and South Carolina produce football players all of the time.
 
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I typically avoid your drivel, but this is ridiculous. Who is making excuses for our recruiting?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
why would I waste such time
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What do you know that the media, other posters on the board do not. Do you just come in to bully your opinion through the system. Look at your posts if somebody says one thing you attack by saying the opposite because it is not what you want to hear. Control Freak.???
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I typically avoid your drivel, but this is ridiculous. Who is making excuses for our recruiting?
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Relax yourself...

This has been common complaint/excuse that people use whenever someone starts talking about coaching changes.
 
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I believe our state gets a bad rep. Auburn and a few other teams regulary get quite a few kids from our state. Right now i'd take some less talented kids that wanted to play for tennessee, rather than some premadonna's with nfl stars in their eyes. Recruiting is overrated. You have to get the kids motivated and keep them that way. Our staff doesn't do a good job of that and haven't for sometime.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Tennessee - 17th in population (6,038,803)
Alabama - 23rd in population (4,599,030)
South Carolina - 24th in population (4,321,249)
Louisiana - 25th in population (4,287,768)

Nobody can use the excuse that we are a small state when Bama, Lousiana, and South Carolina produce football players all of the time.
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Georgia------9,363.000
Fla, -----18,089.000

The two we must beat every year to win Sec east,SecCh and NC. A loss to these and our year is done.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Tennessee - 17th in population (6,038,803)
Alabama - 23rd in population (4,599,030)
South Carolina - 24th in population (4,321,249)
Louisiana - 25th in population (4,287,768)

Nobody can use the excuse that we are a small state when Bama, Lousiana, and South Carolina produce football players all of the time.
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I think it was not the population and was more towards the state of high school football in tennessee...
 
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Vols4ever said:
I think it was not the population and was more towards the state of high school football in tennessee...
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And people have brought up the middle school football excuse on this very board. Then came to find out that that theory was also over-exaggerated.

My point is this, Auburn and Alabama and the Mississippi schools routinely go to middle and west Tennessee to get players. If there is a weakness that this staff has shown in the past (in terms of recruiting), is the fact that they haven't built the fence around Memphis and middle Tennessee. It's not like we are competing against another in state school... we have the whole state to ourselves and should be picking the best of the bunch in middle and west Tennessee. We are in noe worse of a position that LSU, which essentially has the entire state to itself to recruit from. Heck, Georgia has the whole state, really. Ga Tech over the past decade or so hasn't been robbing too many recruits from Georgia.

I think if we step back and reasonably look at the state of Tennessee, you would probably find enough 3 star players in the state that could be solid contributors if they are properly coached up.
 
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this is rediculous. Population isn't always representative of football talent. If you want to see that, compare the number of college players coming out of Alabama and Tennessee. Alabama has far more talent than Tennessee.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My point is this, Auburn and Alabama and the Mississippi schools routinely go to middle and west Tennessee to get players. If there is a weakness that this staff has shown in the past (in terms of recruiting), is the fact I think if we step back and reasonably look at the state of Tennessee, you would probably find enough 3 star players in the state that could be solid contributors if they are properly coached up.
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So we would rather settle for 3 star in state recruits just because they are in state players? That is just plain stupid. Population aside, the state of Tennessee just does not produce a ton of top notch D1 talent.
 
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holdemvol said:
So we would rather settle for 3 star in state recruits just because they are in state players? That is just plain stupid. Population aside, the state of Tennessee just does not produce a ton of top notch D1 talent.
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Wow... way to take it way out of proportion there...

Obviously, you recruit nationally to get the best players available. But you also need to fill your roster with (for lack of a better phrase) role players. Players that are fundamentally sound and bleed orange... and will have more pride about winning games against SEC rivals.

Never said anything about settling...
 
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Sudden Impact said:
What do you know that the media, other posters on the board do not. Do you just come in to bully your opinion through the system. Look at your posts if somebody says one thing you attack by saying the opposite because it is not what you want to hear. Control Freak.???
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I know for sure that I am not going to waste my time reading BiDDle. I don't care what he has to say. I also know for sure that recruiting has not been UT's problem over the years and I don't see it as an excuse on our board very often. I can tell you that it is one of the few positives that people will still give Fulmer credit for doing well.

Bullying my opinion or not, I do give it. If I think yours is in left field, I'll let you know that too. If you struggle with that, maybe you should keep yours to yourself or avoid sites such as this, where opinions rule.

The remainder of your drivel, I couldn't quite understand. I'm not a control freak. You're welcome to your opinion, as wrong as it may be.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wow... way to take it way out of proportion there...

Obviously, you recruit nationally to get the best players available. But you also need to fill your roster with (for lack of a better phrase) role players. Players that are fundamentally sound and bleed orange... and will have more pride about winning games against SEC rivals.

Never said anything about settling...
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Yeah and we have that. Ryan Karl is a perfect example. And you don't "fill" your roster with role players. You can't assume that just because someone is in-state that they'll, as you put it "bleed orange" or visa versa. Peyton Manning bleeds orange more than anyone and he's from Mississippi.
 
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vol1981 said:
Basicly so you won't waste ours!!

:whistling:
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I'm never going to waste your time. You have choices. Should you choose to read what I've said, you are wasting your own time, which I would consider senseless. Given what I've read from you, I'd keep reading my stuff and less of what you have been reading to this point. Lastly, basicly is not a word.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
Yeah and we have that. Ryan Karl is a perfect example. And you don't "fill" your roster with role players. You can't assume that just because someone is in-state that they'll, as you put it "bleed orange" or visa versa. Peyton Manning bleeds orange more than anyone and he's from Mississippi.
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Peyton is from New Orleans
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Wow... way to take it way out of proportion there...

Obviously, you recruit nationally to get the best players available. But you also need to fill your roster with (for lack of a better phrase) role players. Players that are fundamentally sound and bleed orange... and will have more pride about winning games against SEC rivals.

Never said anything about settling...
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I just don't understand where you are coming from. Since when was recruiting a problem at UT? Yes, there have been a few big names leave the state over the years but the high profie players UT has pulled in from other states outweighs what they lost in state BY FAR.
 
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lacrossepro70 said:
Yeah and we have that. Ryan Karl is a perfect example. And you don't "fill" your roster with role players. You can't assume that just because someone is in-state that they'll, as you put it "bleed orange" or visa versa. Peyton Manning bleeds orange more than anyone and he's from Mississippi.
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How many teams have a majority of their players that are 4 Star or better. Even Florida and USC only get 2-3 at the most 5 stars per year and maybe 10 or so 4-star players. Assuming a school can sign 20 players, the rest of those guys have to be 3 Star players... I'm not saying just stock up on a bunch of 3 star players in Tennessee. Not at all what I meant and you know it. Just saying that you make better effort to "fill out" the rest of your team with homegrown 3 stars if you can. Nowhere did I say we should just ignore big name national recruits.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
How many teams have a majority of their players that are 4 Star or better. Even Florida and USC only get 2-3 at the most 5 stars per year and maybe 10 or so 4-star players. Assuming a school can sign 20 players, the rest of those guys have to be 3 Star players... I'm not saying just stock up on a bunch of 3 star players in Tennessee. Not at all what I meant and you know it. Just saying that you make better effort to "fill out" the rest of your team with homegrown 3 stars if you can. Nowhere did I say we should just ignore big name national recruits.
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there is no "right" way to fill out a roster.
 
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Heck, just look at the Rivals top ten recruiting rankings from this year. Outside of tOSU (which has two 5 Star recruits and eight 4 Stars), the rst of the top 10 is pretty much doing it by getting 4 or so 4 Star recruits and the rest are 3 stars...

That was all I'm trying to say.
 
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I think if Tennessee could just always land the top recruits in state while continuing to do well out of state we would be ok. Patrick Turner comes to mind. He could really be a factor on this years team.

By the way, what was Al Wilsons recruiting ranking? I'm not sure he was a 4 or 5 star. Maybe I'm wrong.
 
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swami2302 said:
I think if Tennessee could just always land the top recruits in state while continuing to do well out of state we would be ok. Patrick Turner comes to mind. He could really be a factor on this years team.

By the way, what was Al Wilsons recruiting ranking? I'm not sure he was a 4 or 5 star. Maybe I'm wrong.
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Turner has been lighting it up over on the left coast right:crazy:
 
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