Tennessee vs UCLA Sunday November 30th Game Thread

[volsagain]

A big reason for not landing them coud be that frequent subbing is especially disruptive to shooters. Many three point shooters depend a lot on rhythm. Jewell said a couple of times last year that it was a very big adjustment not to be in long enough to achieve rhythm. It's one more way the system giveth and the system taketh away

It's all about the budget you have to work with. Sometimes the ones you really want just have to big a price tag. Don't like to single out players but at least one of these transfers was a big miss for this system and should have spent that money for a 3 shooter. We see that now just as the coaches probably do. Got a lot of work to do to become a Team. Just hopefully everyone is buying in . These freshmen got a lot of growing up to do and you can see a couple of them are growing faster than the others. The frequency of the subs may need working on, IMO 3-3-4 would be better first half. Then q3 4-3-3 q4 would be determined by the score best 5 the first 4 and then go by score and foul trouble after that.

 

[glv98]

It's all about the budget you have to work with. Sometimes the ones you really want just have to big a price tag. Don't like to single out players but at least one of these transfers was a big miss for this system and should have spent that money for a 3 shooter

I'll bet that money was offered to various three point shooters before it was offered to the transfer we actually landed. You're just not gonna get everyone no matter the amount of money, especially in a system as specialized as this.

 

[volsagain]

I'll bet that money was offered to various three point shooters before it was offered to the transfer we actually landed. You're just not gonna get everyone no matter the amount of money, especially in a system as specialized as this.

I'm sure the system will detour some but enough money will make some want to try it. We've just needed too many players the last 2 years. Wish we could have landed one more freshman shooter this year. Need to land a big a shooter and a utility player each year and still have a spot left over for the portal. It's going take Kim maybe couple more years to get the roster adjusted.

 

[vols90]

For those who didn’t know if Pauldo was trolling or not (like me lol). He replied that it was sarcasm

 

[glv98]

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For those who didn’t know if Pauldo was trolling or not (like me lol). He replied that it was sarcasm

Certainly it was sarcasm. But I totally agree with the other guy. DJ needs to log the F off and shut the F up. There is zero positivity that can be achieved by his continuing to be such an active participant. Don't be a public factor. At all.

 

[Hoosier]

Didn't get around to checking this until this morning -- while watching the UCLA game, it looked to me like they had a lot of linebackers on the court -- tall and solidly built. Well, it's true. Their shortest player is 5-10, and they only have 3 players shorter than 6-0 with 6 players in the 6-3 to 6-7 range. Oh, and they are good shooters. Compare this to the LV roster which is shorter (e.g. Robertson) and thinner (e.g. Spearman). Weights are generally not revealed for the women, but I'm betting UCLA outweighed the LVs by 10-15 pounds across the board. No wonder UCLA controlled the paint.

 

[Volfan2012]

Yes parents should steer clear of these comments. That is what us Volnation posters are here for. We need to be the ones doing what he just did.

He cleared up his comment to World Exposure as many didn't get the sarcasm of the post he made to them.

 

[RetroVol]

He cleared up his comment to World Exposure as many didn't get the sarcasm of the post he made to them.

The Internet. Where sarcasm goes to explode into misunderstanding fueled furor.

 

[DarkPhoenix]

A big reason for not landing them coud be that frequent subbing is especially disruptive to shooters. Many three point shooters depend a lot on rhythm. Jewell said a couple of times last year that it was a very big adjustment not to be in long enough to achieve rhythm. It's one more way the system giveth and the system taketh away

I was just about to reply the same thing, if we notice this why doesn’t Kim? But i doubt she changes anyway.

 

[glv98]

I was just about to reply the same thing, if we notice this why doesn’t Kim? But i doubt she changes anyway.

I’m sure the staff is completely aware that some recruits will not want to play in the 90 second sub system. But they’re fully bought in that they can make the players they do get fit the system well enough for it to be successful.

Much as I doubt they’re right and much as I’ve always doubted the system, I also think it’s a little soon for CKC to give up on it. Subtle changes hopefully, but It is what she was hired to do, and both she and her boss seemed completely confident it would have the LVs in the championship mix within a year or two. Maybe they’re right, and this year is certainly not to be given up on.

But IMO next yr is the pivotal year. No more honeymoon period, no more “not the right players” excuses. Just get her done.

 

[Volfan2012]

So how this season going to end up? Looking a lot like last season to me. Will our freshmen be able to contribute as we get to January? Aubrey Galvan is outplaying every freshmen we have and she wasn't even in the top 100. She is making Vandy look really good averaging 11 ppg and 7 assists and she is just 5'6" freshman.
Had us 23 and 5 regular season and we've already lost one NC St I thought we would win. I thought with Spearman, Barker, and Cooper and three top 20 rated freshmen we would be able to compete with anybody. I no longer see that being true.

 

[VolBall09]

I give our coaches more credit, especially when it comes to recruiting. I don't think they were targeting the wrong players at all. They've said since last spring the most pressing need is for a shooter. Reasonable to believe they definitely went after players like Knepkins but just weren't able to land them. I think it was a matter of just getting who they could get and unfortunately that did not include a consistent knock down shooter.

You’ve done more yapping after one loss than you did in one year. Bravo.

 

[VolBall09]

So how this season going to end up? Looking a lot like last season to me. Will our freshmen be able to contribute as we get to January? Aubrey Galvan is outplaying every freshmen we have and she wasn't even in the top 100. She is making Vandy look really good averaging 11 ppg and 7 assists and she is just 5'6" freshman.
Had us 23 and 5 regular season and we've already lost one NC St I thought we would win. I thought with Spearman, Barker, and Cooper and three top 20 rated freshmen we would be able to compete with anybody. I no longer see that being true.

Has to be up to them. The twins in particular need to start taking things more personally and show people what they’re made of.

 

[volbabyvol]

Went 0 for 3 on the game plan.

Texas just showed the game plan how to beat ULCA

- Make it hard for Betts to get the ball (pushing her away from the basket but our bigs don't have the girth, fronting her while bringing someone over backside)

-play solid defense without fouling around the board, no easy baskets

-Take good shots and put pressure on there guards attacking the basket.

 

[lvocd]

Has to be up to them. The twins in particular need to start taking things more personally and show people what they’re made of.

In my observation, I think the twins are a little more affected by the size of some opponents than they thought they would be. I've noticed them looking a little tentative at times because they're playing into a lot more consistently taller and quicker opponents than they typically faced in high school. It's for sure going to take some time for them to adjust to the point they're not constantly aware they've got giants looming over them. lol

 

[VolBall09]

In my observation, I think the twins are a little more affected by the size of some opponents than they thought they would be. I've noticed them looking a little tentative at times because they're playing into a lot more consistently taller and quicker opponents than they typically faced in high school. It's for sure going to take some time for them to adjust to the point they're not constantly aware they've got giants looming over them. lol

Yep, that’s a normal transition. Got to believe in your skillet and start going for it though. Never bother Lil Bit at all. Played with the heart of giant in a little body and it showed lol.

 

[madtownvol]

A big reason for not landing them coud be that frequent subbing is especially disruptive to shooters. Many three point shooters depend a lot on rhythm. Jewell said a couple of times last year that it was a very big adjustment not to be in long enough to achieve rhythm. It's one more way the system giveth and the system taketh away

Nya is looking like she can be a consistent outside threat. So, that is one. Barker and Coop hit enough that teams have to respect their shots. Boyd has been shooting the corner 4 pretty well.

If you look at this line-up rationally, it can't work without someone who can spread the floor. So, the Nya, Barker, Coop need be the core trio, coupled with say Spearman or Latham and one of the Pauldo twins. The unit could be pretty solid in the half court and transition. You could rotate in Civil, Boyd, and Prawl but ideally in a staggered fashion so that 2 of the three core players are always on the floor. This ain't rocket science.

 

[madtownvol]

Our young team got beat by a more disciplined, seasoned team....Their 5 played as one unit, while our 5 played mostly as 5 individuals...

In any event, on to the next game...

That is the problem with "Cheetah ball".... There is no structure or discipline to play within. "Try harder" at chaos does not fix the structural problem.

 

[madtownvol]

So much. Pretty sure he’s trolling but ffs shut up. Please don’t even pretend to act out right now.

I wonder if it’s even possible to give the kind of balls to the wall ‘effort’ being described. How many times in a season can you play like it’s the last min of a national championship game? Several hundred? A dozen or so times a game? It’s unrealistic both physically and mentally. You get 90 seconds to recover then go do it again. Doesn’t sound very enjoyable to me and ultimately not an effective use of the basketball talent.

1. 100%, I can't recall a single time where having an over-invested, helicopter parent worked out well for the program. Evina Westbrook's mom seemed to do nothing but fan social media controversy. Joking or not, it always turns toxic.

2. Can you think of a time where the LVs "wore out" a top 20 team or a solid SEC team? That is part of the whole cheetah myth that has no bearing on how games are actually played, More often than not, the LVs have looked worn down by the end of the games.

The LVs two signature wins last season, Uconn and OSU were not about wearing them out but dialing back on the high press, the mass subbing and making clutch shots. CKC has the formula, she used it last season. It seems that she thought it was a concession to her "limited" line-up but it was actually good coaching. This team has too much talent (and credit to CKC and staff for that) to keep sending them up hamburger hill.

 

[RetroVol]

<sarc> So many posters with higher basketball IQs than Coach Kim and her staff. </sarc>

 

[chuckiepoo]

<sarc> So many posters with higher basketball IQs than Coach Kim and her staff. </sarc>

Comes as a signup fringe benefit at all VolNation forums!

 

[madtownvol]

<sarc> So many posters with higher basketball IQs than Coach Kim and her staff. </sarc>

The thing is, coaching staffs aren't infallible, that is why teams underachieve and staffs get turned over.

I doubt if Kellie were coaching this team and it left opposing players wide open under the basket on a regular basis, that people would be arguing that the system is so ingenious that it only can be understood by the coaching staff.

 

[Lucy]

Clearly, Kim's system still has to prove itself. And, has been said above, that happens by winning, especially important games. Everything else is just noise.

That said, it's very human to notice, remember, and treat as important what we see as threatening to what we want. In our minds, the bad always outweighs the good. We'll even treat the ambiguous as bad because survival emphasized seeing threats more than opportunities.

But, there's a time when negativity bias is particularly pernicious: the early stages of a developmental effort. Whether it's starting a business, writing a book, or raising a child, over-emphasizing (which is the natural tendency for us all) kills growth. But it's pernicious, because it makes us look smart. Unlikeable, but smart. I could be a high-percentage restaurant reviewer even though I don't have a sensitive palate or any experience with running a restaurant. I would just need to go to every restaurant opening, write a scathing review citing whatever, and predict it's failure. And I'd be right a huge percentage of the time, because most restaurants fail. Same with coaches. Most new coaches fail to achieve what they were hired to do, and even those who do get criticized for not doing better (Rick Barnes).

The counter to negativity bias is appreciation. Appreciating strengths, looking for what's working and building on that, or, as one researcher called it, "the ability to see the mighty oak in the acorn." It's what the new and struggling, be that businesses, ideas, books, children, or basketball systems. I get that this is often a place to vent. But I suspect we are all putting too much weight on the negatives and failing to see the positives.

Go, Kim. Coach 'em. Help 'em grow, individually and as a team. Your style of play is fun and interesting to watch, and that's what I'm pulling for.

I enjoyed your post and would like to add our coach to the acorn to oak analogy. Let’s not forget this is her third (I think) season coaching D1. She has been thrown into the fire and will get better with time. Only with time will we know if she is the next great coach.

 

[mudcat1973]

You’ve done more yapping after one loss than you did in one year. Bravo.

volnation is calm vs tennessee lady facebook about the lost.

 

[RetroVol]

I enjoyed your post and would like to add our coach to the acorn to oak analogy. Let’s not forget this is her third (I think) season coaching D1. She has been thrown into the fire and will get better with time. Only with time will we know if she is the next great coach.

And she is very thoughtful and reflective. I particularly liked how she said in a recent post-game interview that this team was a lot like one of her previous teams and she had gone back and looked at her notes on that team and this one is right at the same place. I suspect there is no poster here that could sit down and talk with Coach Kim for an hour and not walk away absolutely convinced she knows her stuff, see reality, and has a plan with a good chance of working.