Tennessee releases depth chart for season opener against Ball State

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Still a depth chart on a Monday…Players are hitting a little harder and ratcheting up a little more this afternoon….
 
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HalfullVol said:
37620VOL said:
No Brandon Turnage in the 2 deep?



where?

Cornerback
Cornerback
1. (4) Warren Burrell (Sr., 6-0/190)
2. (3) Dee Williams (Jr., 5-11/190)
Cornerback
1. (14) Christian Charles (Soph., 6-1/186) OR (5) Kamal Hadden (R-Jr., 6-1/190)
Star
1. (12) Tamarion McDonald (Jr., 6-2/200)
2. (13) Wesley Walker (R-Jr., 6-1/204)
Safety
Safety
1. (1) Trevon Flowers (Sr.*, 5-11/200)
2. (0) Doneiko Slaughter (Jr., 6-0/190)
Safety
1. (2) Jaylen McCollough (Sr., 6-0/205)
2. (17) Andre Turrentine (R-Fr., 5-11/195) OR (25) Jourdan Thomas (Fr., 6-2/200)
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Sorry. I was seeing Turrentine.

Yeah. Pretty weird.
 
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sjt18 said:
You think lack of size hurts a returner more than a slot receiver? Really?
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If you don't understand that it's a bad idea to put a under sized true freshman at kick off return I really don't know what to tell you
 
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I always like to go back and see what the players were ranked coming out of high school. These star ratings come from 247sports.

OFFENSE:
TE: Princeton Fant (r-sr) -***
LT: Gerald Mincey (r-so)-***
LG: Jerome Carvin (sr)-****
C: Cooper Mays (jr) -****
RG: Javontez Spraggins (jr)-***
RT: Darnell Wright (sr) -*****
WR: Bru McCoy (r-jr) -*****, Jalin Hyatt (jr)-**** ,Cedric Tillman(r-sr) -***
QB: Hendon Hooker (sr) -****
RB: Jabari Small (jr)-***
3 stars: 5
4 stars: 4
5 stars: 2

DEFENSE:
”Leo” (de/lb): Byron Young (sr)-***
DL: Kurott Garland(r-sr) -***, Omari Thomas (jr)-****
DE: Tyler Baron (jr) -****
LB: Juwan Mitchell (r-sr) -***, Jeremy Banks (r-sr)-***
CB: Warren Burrell (sr)-***, Christian Charles (so)-***
“Star back” (s/lb): Tamarion McDonald (jr)-***
S: Jaylen McCollouch (sr)-****, Trevon Flowers (sr)-***
3 stars: 8
4 stars: 3

SPECIAL TEAMS:
PK:
Chase McGrath (r-sr)-***
Punt/KO:
Paxton Brooks (sr)-***
3 stars: 2
 
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Eastknox865 said:
If you don't understand that it's a bad idea to put a under sized true freshman at kick off return I really don't know what to tell you
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If you don't understand that it is essentially the same thing as putting them in the slot where your goal is to have them work the middle and get to open field... plus having to block on run plays... then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not even saying you are wrong per se. Just that your logic about size making him undesirable at returns would also make him too small for the slot

FWIW, sizes and weights are notoriously inaccurate on published rosters.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you don't understand that it is essentially the same thing as putting them in the slot where your goal is to have them work the middle and get to open field... plus having to block on run plays... then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not even saying you are wrong per se. Just that your logic about size making him undesirable at returns would also make him too small for the slot

FWIW, sizes and weights are notoriously inaccurate on published rosters.
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I would not be surprised if later in the game, IF we have a significant lead and SW has a few snaps under his belt and a return opportunity arises, that we might get to see him in that role. Putting him out there for his very first play in college might be devasting if he had a nervous drop or fumble. But I would think this level of competition instead of Pitt might be preferred.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you don't understand that it is essentially the same thing as putting them in the slot where your goal is to have them work the middle and get to open field... plus having to block on run plays... then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not even saying you are wrong per se. Just that your logic about size making him undesirable at returns would also make him too small for the slot

FWIW, sizes and weights are notoriously inaccurate on published rosters.
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You must not have played football and it's OK. And if you did you don't know much about it and that's OK
 
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Glad to see Calloway on there. I never understood the situation with him out of uniform at the end of fall camp.
 
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sjt18 said:
If you don't understand that it is essentially the same thing as putting them in the slot where your goal is to have them work the middle and get to open field... plus having to block on run plays... then I don't know what to tell you.

I'm not even saying you are wrong per se. Just that your logic about size making him undesirable at returns would also make him too small for the slot

FWIW, sizes and weights are notoriously inaccurate on published rosters.
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I notice Cooper has gotten quite a bit taller than I remember.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
You must not have played football and it's OK. And if you did you don't know much about it and that's OK
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Yes. Actually played for a really good HS program eons ago. Understand enough to know that anything that would make a guy too small to return kicks would also make him MUCH too small to play slot... especially since part of his job as a slot is to block safeties or even LB's.

PS- If I remember your history... you are one of the posters who will keep on trying to find a way to be "right" when you are very obviously wrong. So instead of making a fool of yourself or trying to deflect by questioning my bona fides again... please explain to us all why size/weight is more important for a kick returner than for a slot receiver.
 
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GUNTERSVOL said:
I would not be surprised if later in the game, IF we have a significant lead and SW has a few snaps under his belt and a return opportunity arises, that we might get to see him in that role. Putting him out there for his very first play in college might be devasting if he had a nervous drop or fumble. But I would think this level of competition instead of Pitt might be preferred.
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The other guy could actually convince me that SW may be too small to play at this point. If he's truly 160 lbs or so then I think kick returns is safer than slot... but it may not be big enough for either.

I think I'm more or less alone in being excited to see what Holiday can do in that role.
 
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sjt18 said:
The other guy could actually convince me that SW may be too small to play at this point. If he's truly 160 lbs or so then I think kick returns is safer than slot... but it may not be big enough for either.

I think I'm more or less alone in being excited to see what Holiday can do in that role.
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No, I have been counting on Holiday andCallaway since their signing day. Holiday due to his versatility especially.

Don’t know if SW is too small or not. They seem to hav extolled him as special from the gitgo. Physics is what it is so I will sit back and watch.
 
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sjt18 said:
Yes. Actually played for a really good HS program eons ago. Understand enough to know that anything that would make a guy too small to return kicks would also make him MUCH too small to play slot... especially since part of his job as a slot is to block safeties or even LB's.

PS- If I remember your history... you are one of the posters who will keep on trying to find a way to be "right" when you are very obviously wrong. So instead of making a fool of yourself or trying to deflect by questioning my bona fides again... please explain to us all why size/weight is more important for a kick returner than for a slot receiver.
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Returning kicks you are full speed at guys twice your size with full speed collisions. Playing slot yes you may get hit but no one is running full speed at you from 50 yards away. The coach can control routes you run from the slot. Quick screens and go routes. And on top of that he is a true freshman. Coaches normally do not want to risk a turn over or bad decision by a true freshman. Call in to one of the talk shows or tweet Swain and ask him. I bet you they would agree. Why risk injury to him in returns when you probably will need him at WR during the season. And it's not just his size and weight. It's is size and weight and our roster depth. We will need him healthy. If we had more talent at wr I wouldn't feel this way
 
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tennesseeduke said:
You don’t realize yet but Bru will be #1 WR on the team by season end.
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Think Bru has potential to be really good but he's not over taking Tillman. From all accounts Tillman has been dominate in camp and this is why he came back. He will be option one for Hooker due to the comfort level and trust they share in each other and the offense. Hyatt and McCoy (and Merrell) will split up most of the rest.
 
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Eastknox865 said:
Returning kicks you are full speed at guys twice your size with full speed collisions. Playing slot yes you may get hit but no one is running full speed at you from 50 yards away.
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And you questioned whether I had played or not? Guys POUND slot receivers. They get hit with their heads turned. They work the middle of the field. They have to block 220 lb guys. They get tracked down by LB's and even 300 lb DL's if they have to flatten out after the catch. Usually kick returners can avoid big, direct hits... if they have the vision to be a kick returner. The danger with any returner is turnovers.

The coach can control routes you run from the slot. Quick screens and go routes. And on top of that he is a true freshman. Coaches normally do not want to risk a turn over or bad decision by a true freshman. Call in to one of the talk shows or tweet Swain and ask him. I bet you they would agree. Why risk injury to him in returns when you probably will need him at WR during the season.
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LOL.. "they said so"? Even though they haven't "said so". If a coach has to control the routes because a player isn't physically ready then he doesn't need to be out there. If you had just said, "I don't think he's big enough to play" then you would have made a reasonable point. But size is as critical playing slot as returner and in many respects a lot more.
 
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sjt18 said:
And you questioned whether I had played or not? Guys POUND slot receivers. They get hit with their heads turned. They work the middle of the field. They have to block 220 lb guys. They get tracked down by LB's and even 300 lb DL's if they have to flatten out after the catch. Usually kick returners can avoid big, direct hits... if they have the vision to be a kick returner. The danger with any returner is turnovers.


LOL.. "they said so"? Even though they haven't "said so". If a coach has to control the routes because a player isn't physically ready then he doesn't need to be out there. If you had just said, "I don't think he's big enough to play" then you would have made a reasonable point. But size is as critical playing slot as returner and in many respects a lot more.
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You know what it doesn't matter because he isn't returning kicks at moment so lets stop wasting time. Ask someone you trust that knows more than you and me
 
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