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Yikes! This guy just ended Holly Rowe little soap opera attempt smh!


It’s pretty clear the scheme, personalities and roster construction didn’t mesh this season.


If only there were someone whose job it was to make sure this didn't happen. Some kind of coach maybe. We could even call this person the head coach....


Kim deserves all the daggers. She let it happen. She lost her entire team. A team she built. No excuses.

That said, we're not replacing her with someone better now. Who would take this job knowing the current state of the program? As much as we can hate what she has done, change isn't happening soon.
 
Yep.

I’m not buying what the departing players are selling either. Them fawning over Lazo is only further proof he was undermining the head coach.

I think we made a mistake hiring two assistants with immediate head coaching aspirations. Should have hired more maturity there and Kim needed to be the primary recruiter since her system is so specific.

He’s a head coach now and he’ll get his due. Gonna find out what the hot seat feels like himself.
How does the players and their families saying Lazo is a good guy prove that he was undermining the HC?
I’m going to guess sans some compromising situation, Lazo will be a D1 HC longer than Kim.
 
How does the players and their families saying Lazo is a good guy prove that he was undermining the HC?
I’m going to guess sans some compromising situation, Lazo will be a D1 HC longer than Kim.
Rumors have abounded that one of the assistants was undermining her. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Lazo. If it happened, and I'm inclined to believe it did, she should have fired him when it happened rather than let the cancer grow. That's the mistake of a young coach. Everybody has to row in the same direction. Anybody not doing so gets kicked off the boat.
 
Rumors have abounded that one of the assistants was undermining her. Wouldn't be surprised if it was Lazo. If it happened, and I'm inclined to believe it did, she should have fired him when it happened rather than let the cancer grow. That's the mistake of a young coach. Everybody has to row in the same direction. Anybody not doing so gets kicked off the boat.
Why do you believe that rumor? The players and their families said that was not true.
Also if you hope to remain in coaching why would you harm the individual who would be your big reference. It just makes no sense.
 
Why do you believe that rumor? The players and their families said that was not true.
Also if you hope to remain in coaching why would you harm the individual who would be your big reference. It just makes no sense.
Former players aren't going to throw him under the bus. They picked their side, and it wasn't Kim's.

I've heard the rumor from more than one source. Sources with no motivation to take sides. It wasn't confirmed to be Lazo, but it easily could have been.

It's the job of assistant coaches to bolster the head coach. Not encourage players to ignore her directions.

Lazo resigned quickly, took a job at LSU based on his recruiting ability, then pivoted to a head coaching job. I doubt Kim was a reference for him in any of that.
 
Former players aren't going to throw him under the bus. They picked their side, and it wasn't Kim's.

I've heard the rumor from more than one source. Sources with no motivation to take sides. It wasn't confirmed to be Lazo, but it easily could have been.

It's the job of assistant coaches to bolster the head coach. Not encourage players to ignore her directions.

Lazo resigned quickly, took a job at LSU based on his recruiting ability, then pivoted to a head coaching job. I doubt Kim was a reference for him in any of that.
Lazo resigned quickly? Three weeks after the season was over?
 
Former players aren't going to throw him under the bus. They picked their side, and it wasn't Kim's.

I've heard the rumor from more than one source. Sources with no motivation to take sides. It wasn't confirmed to be Lazo, but it easily could have been.

It's the job of assistant coaches to bolster the head coach. Not encourage players to ignore her directions.

Lazo resigned quickly, took a job at LSU based on his recruiting ability, then pivoted to a head coaching job. I doubt Kim was a reference for him in any of that.
How do you know anyone encouraged player’s to ignore the head coach?
Lazo may have resigned to take a better job. Honestly would you rather be Caldwell’s assistant with the whole team bailing or Mulkey’s assistant where you might win a nattie? Seemed like a smart career move to me. He then got the call to come home as a HC. Again an understandable career move.
 
How do you know anyone encouraged player’s to ignore the head coach?
Lazo may have resigned to take a better job. Honestly would you rather be Caldwell’s assistant with the whole team bailing or Mulkey’s assistant where you might win a nattie? Seemed like a smart career move to me. He then got the call to come home as a HC. Again an understandable career move.
The head coach is being a hard ass and the assistant coach is poo-pooing it. Whose side do you think they're going to take. You watched this season. You saw how soft these girls were. It doesn't excuse Kim's overall failure, but it doesn't mean it's not true either.
 
The head coach is being a hard ass and the assistant coach is poo-pooing it. Whose side do you think they're going to take. You watched this season. You saw how soft these girls were. It doesn't excuse Kim's overall failure, but it doesn't mean it's not true either.
Just let it go, they have their narrative and they aren't budging... Most didn't like CKC from the start.
 
The head coach is being a hard ass and the assistant coach is poo-pooing it. Whose side do you think they're going to take. You watched this season. You saw how soft these girls were. It doesn't excuse Kim's overall failure, but it doesn't mean it's not true either.
They didn’t look soft to me. They looked lost and frustrated.
The whole assistant coaches as the problem doesn’t make sense to me but hey alternative truth.
 
The head coach is being a hard ass and the assistant coach is poo-pooing it. Whose side do you think they're going to take. You watched this season. You saw how soft these girls were. It doesn't excuse Kim's overall failure, but it doesn't mean it's not true either.
I have read all of your posts on this topic. While some of the opinions expressed are
plausible, none are supported by facts. I am not accusing you of spreading falsehoods, but you appear to be defending Kim by means of an unrelenting smear campaign against Lazo.
I wasn’t in the locker room, and cannot pretend to know what went on out of the public eye. I can choose to trust rumors, but unless I know and trust the sources, I have no good reason to do that. Players have made some public statements. I have no reason to take a position on the veracity of those statements, but neither do I have any cause to accuse those young women of lying.

I would welcome any and all verifiable facts. Rumors don’t cut it. They are not persuasive. Lots of rumors suggest nothing more than a single utterance unless supported with hard evidence.
 
They didn’t look soft to me. They looked lost and frustrated.
The whole assistant coaches as the problem doesn’t make sense to me but hey alternative truth.
Didn't say they were THE problem. Doesn't mean they weren't A problem. You keep ignoring both can be true. Kim could have completely failed as a head coach, AND one or more of her assistants could have undermined her. It doesn't have to be one or the other.
 
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How do you know anyone encouraged player’s to ignore the head coach?
Lazo may have resigned to take a better job. Honestly would you rather be Caldwell’s assistant with the whole team bailing or Mulkey’s assistant where you might win a nattie? Seemed like a smart career move to me. He then got the call to come home as a HC. Again an understandable career move.
Hey, Lazo has a team now, go support them since he's your man. Give us a freaking break on the bashing CKC. Hell, EVERYBODY KNOWS YOU HATE HER, give us a Freaking Rest!
 
I have read all of your posts on this topic. While some of the opinions expressed are
plausible, none are supported by facts. I am not accusing you of spreading falsehoods, but you appear to be defending Kim by means of an unrelenting smear campaign against Lazo.
I wasn’t in the locker room, and cannot pretend to know what went on out of the public eye. I can choose to trust rumors, but unless I know and trust the sources, I have no good reason to do that. Players have made some public statements. I have no reason to take a position on the veracity of those statements, but neither do I have any cause to accuse those young women of lying.

I would welcome any and all verifiable facts. Rumors don’t cut it. They are not persuasive. Lots of rumors suggest nothing more than a single utterance unless supported with hard evidence.
You can believe what you choose. One thing you are wrong about, I am not defending Kim. If one of her assistant coaches undermined her, that doesn't excuse her failure. She is the head coach. She hired the assistant coaches. She chose the players. It's her offense. It all comes back to her. I'm not defending her in any way. I'm commenting on a rumor that I think has at least some validity. Does not excuse CKC.

Players have a reason to choose sides, and these players obviously chose theirs. They are, after all, all in the portal.
 
You can believe what you choose. One thing you are wrong about, I am not defending Kim. If one of her assistant coaches undermined her, that doesn't excuse her failure. She is the head coach. She hired the assistant coaches. She chose the players. It's her offense. It all comes back to her. I'm not defending her in any way. I'm commenting on a rumor that I think has at least some validity. Does not excuse CKC.

Players have a reason to choose sides, and these players obviously chose theirs. They are, after all, all in the portal.
Sorry I misinterpreted you re Kim. It is also possible that the players did not take sides in a hypothetical conflict between head and assistant coach(es) because there was no such battle.

That they are in the portal does not logically mean that there was an underlying fight between members of the coaching staff; they may be seeking other places to play simply because they don’t have faith in the helter skelter system Kim runs.
 
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For the mutineers crowd, putting my org psych hat back on for a sec. Something to consider.

Now this isn't always true but usually it is. Looking at this through a more grounded lens of how teams and groups actually function - when you see near-total attrition, it almost always points to a breakdown in leadership, environment, or system vs detraction led by a single “bad actor.” Group behavior just simply doesn’t scale that cleanly around one person unless there’s a broader underlying issue.

The “assistant-led mutiny” theory would require every player to align behind one assistant strongly enough to override their own individual incentives, relationships, and decision-making. In today’s game, especially with NIL, transfer freedom, family influence, that’s extremely unlikely. Players act more independently now. In fact, they didn't even move as a cohesive unit like that on the court. This was not some uniform group. In general with groups, you don’t usually get uniform outcomes like this without a strong shared experience driving it.

Also, in almost every documented team conflict, you see variance. Meaning:
  • some players stay
  • some defend leadership - doubling down on this because it is one of the strongest indicators here that this is not a "mutiny" per se. Inciting a mutiny ALWAYS triggers defiance in people who have certain core values or drivers. Where are the Kim loyalists? Not one stayed and this is data.
  • some split off
You don’t see total alignment unless the issue is systemic.

And then there’s the signaling piece — multiple players have gone out of their way to defend assistants, while there’s been zero public support for the head coach. That doesn’t prove intent, but in reputation dynamics, it usually reflects weak relational equity between leader and group.

Put all that together, and the simplest explanation, and historically the most consistent one, is that this has come from the very top.

Something at the top wasn’t working. Not necessarily one thing, but enough multiple things across leadership, system, and relationships that players all made the same decision independently.
 
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For the mutineers crowd, putting my org psych hat back on for a sec. Something to consider.

Now this isn't always true but usually it is. Looking at this through a more grounded lens of how teams and groups actually function - when you see near-total attrition, it almost always points to a breakdown in leadership, environment, or system vs detraction led by a single “bad actor.” Group behavior just simply doesn’t scale that cleanly around one person unless there’s a broader underlying issue.

The “assistant-led mutiny” theory would require every player to align behind one assistant strongly enough to override their own individual incentives, relationships, and decision-making. In today’s game, especially with NIL, transfer freedom, family influence, that’s extremely unlikely. Players act more independently now. In fact, they didn't even move as a cohesive unit like that on the court. This was not some uniform group. In general with groups, you don’t usually get uniform outcomes like this without a strong shared experience driving it.

Also, in almost every documented team conflict, you see variance. Meaning:
  • some players stay
  • some defend leadership - doubling down on this because it is one of the strongest indicators here that this is not a "mutiny" per se. Inciting a mutiny ALWAYS triggers defiance in people who have certain core values or drivers. Where are the Kim loyalists? Not one stayed and this is data.
  • some split off
You don’t see total alignment unless the issue is systemic.

And then there’s the signaling piece — multiple players have gone out of their way to defend assistants, while there’s been zero public support for the head coach. That doesn’t prove intent, but in reputation dynamics, it usually reflects weak relational equity between leader and group.

Put all that together, and the simplest explanation, and historically the most consistent one, is that this has come from the very top.

Something at the top wasn’t working. Not necessarily one thing, but enough multiple things across leadership, system, and relationships that players all made the same decision independently.
This is it.
 
For the mutineers crowd, putting my org psych hat back on for a sec. Something to consider.

Now this isn't always true but usually it is. Looking at this through a more grounded lens of how teams and groups actually function - when you see near-total attrition, it almost always points to a breakdown in leadership, environment, or system vs detraction led by a single “bad actor.” Group behavior just simply doesn’t scale that cleanly around one person unless there’s a broader underlying issue.

The “assistant-led mutiny” theory would require every player to align behind one assistant strongly enough to override their own individual incentives, relationships, and decision-making. In today’s game, especially with NIL, transfer freedom, family influence, that’s extremely unlikely. Players act more independently now. In fact, they didn't even move as a cohesive unit like that on the court. This was not some uniform group. In general with groups, you don’t usually get uniform outcomes like this without a strong shared experience driving it.

Also, in almost every documented team conflict, you see variance. Meaning:
  • some players stay
  • some defend leadership - doubling down on this because it is one of the strongest indicators here that this is not a "mutiny" per se. Inciting a mutiny ALWAYS triggers defiance in people who have certain core values or drivers. Where are the Kim loyalists? Not one stayed and this is data.
  • some split off
You don’t see total alignment unless the issue is systemic.

And then there’s the signaling piece — multiple players have gone out of their way to defend assistants, while there’s been zero public support for the head coach. That doesn’t prove intent, but in reputation dynamics, it usually reflects weak relational equity between leader and group.

Put all that together, and the simplest explanation, and historically the most consistent one, is that this has come from the very top.

Something at the top wasn’t working. Not necessarily one thing, but enough multiple things across leadership, system, and relationships that players all made the same decision independently.
Civil's statement was support for KIm none of the others mentioned her, but said the Assistants were good people. Kim has not said they were bad or did anyone at Tennesse this all came from the media. I guess they were told this from someone who has inside information.
We lost 8 to the portal all we had to lose the rest were graduating.
Wasn't going to put this out there, but have heard she was only hoping to retain three players anyway. Now that Barnes has six in the portal after a successful season we have to wonder at least if the motive for some to leave was all about Kim or for other reasons. Maybe it was just her or maybe just like Barnes group were looking for better deals. They had agents that said they could get them better deals.
Two or three seemed to not be totally bought in to leaving. Texas just lost four in one day and is said another is going as well. Georgia lost 9 one more than we did. Iowa St 9. Florida five and their top three players. A lot of it is about Agents and money.
I don't like her system, but she is going to be our coach so I am through with the negative for the off season looking to see who is going to be on the team. I like Avery Mills hope she decides to come here it is a good start.
 
Civil's statement was support for KIm none of the others mentioned her, but said the Assistants were good people. Kim has not said they were bad or did anyone at Tennesse this all came from the media. I guess they were told this from someone who has inside information.
We lost 8 to the portal all we had to lose the rest were graduating.
Wasn't going to put this out there, but have heard she was only hoping to retain three players anyway. Now that Barnes has six in the portal after a successful season we have to wonder at least if the motive for some to leave was all about Kim or for other reasons. Maybe it was just her or maybe just like Barnes group were looking for better deals. They had agents that said they could get them better deals.
Two or three seemed to not be totally bought in to leaving. Texas just lost four in one day and is said another is going as well. Georgia lost 9 one more than we did. Iowa St 9. Florida five and their top three players. A lot of it is about Agents and money.
I don't like her system, but she is going to be our coach so I am through with the negative for the off season looking to see who is going to be on the team. I like Avery Mills hope she decides to come here it is a good start.
As always, you have good points. I agree that it's about the agents and money as well, but if there were kids who really genuinely and deeply bought into the coach and thought once the bad eggs are out, we can win, it's hard to think that they wouldn't have had the $ here to stay. Fair on the hope to only retain 3 players anyway. I can almost guess who those 3 might have been. Civil for sure! But. I know we have to move on.

I like Avery too. A lot. I wasn't as familiar with her but watching some of her clips and then just listening to some of her interviews re: the type of drive, integrity, motivation, etc she has. She seems like both a culture player and a genuine baller. I hope she signs as well.
 

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