Tennessee has been 'back' before. But this time, it's different

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First and 10: Tennessee has been ‘back’ before. But this time, it’s different

The rebuild

I was talking with Heupel earlier this summer, and he was trying to explain the depth of the gutted program he inherited from the glorified P. E. coach, Jeremy Pruitt.

At one point during spring practice of 2021, the Vols had a walk-on long snapper competing at a linebacker spot because depth was so thin.

Before Heupel’s first team hit the field, more than 30 players left for the transfer portal. And these weren’t end-of-the-roster players, these were guys who had won games, and could win games, and would/will play in the NFL.

LB Henry To’o To’o, TBs Tyson Chandler and Eric Gray, OTs Jahmir Johnson and Wanya Morris, LB Quavaris Crouch, DE DeAndre Johnson and DB Key Lawrence were all projected starters, all guys who could have made a significant difference in Year 1.

The roster Heupel left at UCF was far better than the roster he inherited at Tennessee. How this program has won 11 of 17 games under Heupel — and 3 of their past 4 vs. ranked teams — is the most overlooked story in the SEC over the past 2 seasons.

Heupel patched holes through the transfer portal and freshman recruits, and hit the portal lottery with Hooker, who signed with Tennessee not knowing who the coach would be (Pruitt had just been fired). Heupel convinced Hooker to stay, and by Week 2 of last season, Hooker was the answer at the most important position on the field.

That, more than anything, will be the difference between Heupel and Jones: recruiting (high school and portal) and developing the quarterback position. And Heupel has the advantage because of his player-friendly Blur Ball offense, and because — as a former All-American and national championship-winning quarterback at blue-blood Oklahoma — the sales pitch is easier and the development quicker.

Jones’ quarterback recruits were a hodgepodge of wishing and hoping: Riley Ferguson, Quinten Dormady, Sheriron Jones, Jauan Jennings (yep, the WR was a QB recruit) and Jarrett Guarantano. Jones did hit with Dobbs, but once the 2016 season ended — once Dobbs had led back-to-back 9-win seasons, the production dramatically slipped and so did the program.

Heupel’s first QB recruit in 2021, 4-star Kaidon Salter, was dismissed from school after off-field problems. His second, 4-star Tayven Jackson in 2022, is a third-string backup.
 
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Every time I see Henry T’s name (and those others who ran out on our program), I want to vomit. I don’t wish them ill, but I sure as heck don’t wish them good fortune either.

Coach Heupel does seem different. For one thing, he seems to know how to coach football. That is, by itself, the best sign of them all.
 
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Tennessee's roster is not near complete. And what is back? We have to put together a team that can beat Florida, Alabama and Georgia in the regular season. Then win the SEC title game. Then win the playoff. We are not at that level after one year and four games with CJH. We are still several years of top level recruiting (like UA & UGA) from being "back", both of whom were actually down when we did win big in the 90's. Let's enjoy a great win over Florida and get ready for the swamp cats......
 
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Every time I see Henry T’s name (and those others who ran out on our program), I want to vomit. I don’t wish them ill, but I sure as heck don’t wish them good fortune either.

Coach Heupel does seem different. For one thing, he seems to know how to coach football. That is, by itself, the best sign of them all.
Did Henry and the other big names run out on the program or were they asked to leave based upon investigation results? The school spoke directly to the fact that none of the players who had accepted illegal compensation under Pruitt were still on the roster. We obviously could have used many of the 30 who left, but some of those may not have wanted to leave.
 
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Being "back" isn't a 1 year thing(or in this case, a 4 game thing), and people treating it as such is why teams like Texas a few years ago and us in 2016 get slapped in the face pretty hard by reality.

Being back is proven over a multiple year process. When we're consistently a top 15 to 10 program year in year out, when we challenge to beat Florida, Georgia and Alabama, when we're in the running to win the east most years, when we're consistently pulling in top 10 to 5 recruiting classes, when we're a mainstay in new years 6 bowls(and if we fall any lower, its still higher end bowls like Citrus, etc) and an occasional competitor for a playoff spot/national title run, then we're "back". Because what we're trying to get back to is what we were in the 90s through early/mid 00s, which was a consistent top 15 to 10 program, always great recruiting classes, always in high end bowls, a threat to beat our big 3 rivals most years, etc.

This year can be the first step towards being back, but that's all.
 
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Jeremy Pruitt recruited Hooker to UT.

Dec 17th 2020, Hooker entered transfer portal then signed with Tennessee.

Jeremy Pruitt was fired 3 weeks later.
People need to stop with the damn revisionist history.

Yes, Hooker fell into Heupels lap, and Josh knows this. I'm very glad we have Heupel.

But we all know....Jarrett Gaurantano was the reason Pruitt was fired.
In 2021 NIL became real lol. Pruitt finally had a QB in Hendon Hooker...along with Lawrence, Banks, Totoo'o, Gray etc...
Who knows what would have happened had they just given Jeremy one more shot🤪.

Hooker was still a good QB at Va Tech. Heupel has made him into a superstar...
But I'm confident Jim Chaney would have made him very good as well.
Who really knows what could have been.

What I do know NOW is that this is Heupels program and we are getting good real fast...
 
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Jeremy Pruitt recruited Hooker to UT.

But we all know....Jarrett Gaurantano was the reason Pruitt was fired.
In 2021 NIL became real lol. Pruitt finally had a QB in Hendon Hooker...along with Lawrence, Banks, Totoo'o, Gray etc...
Who knows what would have happened had they just given Jeremy one more shot🤪.

I have a pretty good idea what would have happened-Tennessee football would have been a smoking crater. NCAA would be killing us.

We're gonna be lucky if we get out of this mess without any serious NCAA issues such as a bowl ban. Something like that would just completely deflate the fanbase at the moment
 
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First and 10: Tennessee has been ‘back’ before. But this time, it’s different

The rebuild

I was talking with Heupel earlier this summer, and he was trying to explain the depth of the gutted program he inherited from the glorified P. E. coach, Jeremy Pruitt.

At one point during spring practice of 2021, the Vols had a walk-on long snapper competing at a linebacker spot because depth was so thin.

Before Heupel’s first team hit the field, more than 30 players left for the transfer portal. And these weren’t end-of-the-roster players, these were guys who had won games, and could win games, and would/will play in the NFL.

LB Henry To’o To’o, TBs Tyson Chandler and Eric Gray, OTs Jahmir Johnson and Wanya Morris, LB Quavaris Crouch, DE DeAndre Johnson and DB Key Lawrence were all projected starters, all guys who could have made a significant difference in Year 1.

The roster Heupel left at UCF was far better than the roster he inherited at Tennessee. How this program has won 11 of 17 games under Heupel — and 3 of their past 4 vs. ranked teams — is the most overlooked story in the SEC over the past 2 seasons.

Heupel patched holes through the transfer portal and freshman recruits, and hit the portal lottery with Hooker, who signed with Tennessee not knowing who the coach would be (Pruitt had just been fired). Heupel convinced Hooker to stay, and by Week 2 of last season, Hooker was the answer at the most important position on the field.

That, more than anything, will be the difference between Heupel and Jones: recruiting (high school and portal) and developing the quarterback position. And Heupel has the advantage because of his player-friendly Blur Ball offense, and because — as a former All-American and national championship-winning quarterback at blue-blood Oklahoma — the sales pitch is easier and the development quicker.

Jones’ quarterback recruits were a hodgepodge of wishing and hoping: Riley Ferguson, Quinten Dormady, Sheriron Jones, Jauan Jennings (yep, the WR was a QB recruit) and Jarrett Guarantano. Jones did hit with Dobbs, but once the 2016 season ended — once Dobbs had led back-to-back 9-win seasons, the production dramatically slipped and so did the program.

Heupel’s first QB recruit in 2021, 4-star Kaidon Salter, was dismissed from school after off-field problems. His second, 4-star Tayven Jackson in 2022, is a third-string backup.

As good as Dobbs was, imagine if he had been with a coach that knew how to develop talent…
 
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Jeremy Pruitt recruited Hooker to UT.

Dec 17th 2020, Hooker entered transfer portal then signed with Tennessee.

Jeremy Pruitt was fired 3 weeks later.
People need to stop with the damn revisionist history.

Yes, Hooker fell into Heupels lap, and Josh knows this. I'm very glad we have Heupel.

But we all know....Jarrett Gaurantano was the reason Pruitt was fired.
In 2021 NIL became real lol. Pruitt finally had a QB in Hendon Hooker...along with Lawrence, Banks, Totoo'o, Gray etc...
Who knows what would have happened had they just given Jeremy one more shot🤪.

Hooker was still a good QB at Va Tech. Heupel has made him into a superstar...
But I'm confident Jim Chaney would have made him very good as well.
Who really knows what could have been.

What I do know NOW is that this is Heupels program and we are getting good real fast...

I try to stay away from the what if's in these chats but I feel safe in making the statement that Hooker, as good as he is, would not have been the same with Pruitt as he is with Heupel. The system being run now versus the ball control of Pruitt is just to different for there to be any other outcome then Hooker not being anywhere near the same production as the wide open system now being used. Again just my take on the issue.
 
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Tennessee's roster is not near complete. And what is back? We have to put together a team that can beat Florida, Alabama and Georgia in the regular season. Then win the SEC title game. Then win the playoff. We are not at that level after one year and four games with CJH. We are still several years of top level recruiting (like UA & UGA) from being "back", both of whom were actually down when we did win big in the 90's. Let's enjoy a great win over Florida and get ready for the swamp cats......
We are “back” in that teams actually have to plan for us and take us seriously. Was it Bama that actually scheduled us as HOMECOMING a while back? We are not an automatic W for anyone this season and that feels nice
 
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Every time I see Henry T’s name (and those others who ran out on our program), I want to vomit. I don’t wish them ill, but I sure as heck don’t wish them good fortune either.

Coach Heupel does seem different. For one thing, he seems to know how to coach football. That is, by itself, the best sign of them all.
I am not sure they really had an option....if they took payments from Pruitt, then they were probably told they would not longer be eligible to play at UT.
 
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Every time I see Henry T’s name (and those others who ran out on our program), I want to vomit. I don’t wish them ill, but I sure as heck don’t wish them good fortune either.

Coach Heupel does seem different. For one thing, he seems to know how to coach football. That is, by itself, the best sign of them all.

Doesn’t even mention Kivon Bennett, who would’ve been UT’s best pass rusher had he stayed.
 
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I think Heupel has established the culture he wants, and now he’s developing the guys he’s got and the recruits will see that and want to be a part of it. I don’t think anyone expected the program to be this competitive this soon after where we had fallen. It’s nice to have hope again! With Hooker and some of the other leaders on this team, Tennessee has some of those fire breathing dragons in the locker room now that Chaney said were missing his last season here. Those guys fight for each other every play, and aren’t backing down from anyone.
 
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Tennessee's roster is not near complete. And what is back? We have to put together a team that can beat Florida, Alabama and Georgia in the regular season. Then win the SEC title game. Then win the playoff. We are not at that level after one year and four games with CJH. We are still several years of top level recruiting (like UA & UGA) from being "back", both of whom were actually down when we did win big in the 90's. Let's enjoy a great win over Florida and get ready for the swamp cats......

Tennessee right now kind of reminds me of where Clemson was around 2013 when they thought they were "back" with Tajh Boyd at QB and Florida State came into their building and completely dismantled them and showed everybody just how far Clemson still had to go to be elite. Now, at that time Clemson was certainly ascending but they weren't "back" yet. That didn't happen until they got Deshaun Watson at QB. I'm thinking that Hooker is kind of like our "Tajh Boyd" and Nico Lamaleava will be our Deshaun Watson.
 
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I firmly believe that all of Lyle Allen's QB recruits would have flourished if they had decent coaching. Same thing with Pruitty. Riley at MSU, Peterman at Pitts., etc. I feel for all those guys and the crap that they got stuck with. Dobbs escapes it at college level only because he was a mixture of Fran Tarkenton and Y.A. Title, and maybe a bit Roger Staubach. I don't he ever learned to read defenses, but his instinct and natural talent allowed him to often get away with that. Point is, none of them had decent coaching from either the HC or a position coach who knew what he was doing.
 
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Tennessee's roster is not near complete. And what is back? We have to put together a team that can beat Florida, Alabama and Georgia in the regular season. Then win the SEC title game. Then win the playoff. We are not at that level after one year and four games with CJH. We are still several years of top level recruiting (like UA & UGA) from being "back", both of whom were actually down when we did win big in the 90's. Let's enjoy a great win over Florida and get ready for the swamp cats......
Who in the country right now could beat UF, Alabama, and UGA in the same season? Maybe Ohio St? It isn't like programs capable of that grow on trees.
 
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Who in the country right now could beat UF, Alabama, and UGA in the same season? Maybe Ohio St? It isn't like programs capable of that grow on trees.

Maybe (probably - almost assuredly) not us right now ----- BUT, we beat the one we were supposed to beat this year. Other two still to go - as long time Vol with VBS, feel like we may play Bama closer than we have in years past but Georgia is on a different level right now and we need a few more years to stock the depleted cupboard before we are at that level. HOWEVER, for the first time in a LONG, LONG time I feel like we are on our way !
 
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Jeremy Pruitt recruited Hooker to UT.

Dec 17th 2020, Hooker entered transfer portal then signed with Tennessee.

Jeremy Pruitt was fired 3 weeks later.
People need to stop with the damn revisionist history.

Yes, Hooker fell into Heupels lap, and Josh knows this. I'm very glad we have Heupel.

But we all know....Jarrett Gaurantano was the reason Pruitt was fired.
In 2021 NIL became real lol. Pruitt finally had a QB in Hendon Hooker...along with Lawrence, Banks, Totoo'o, Gray etc...
Who knows what would have happened had they just given Jeremy one more shot🤪.

Hooker was still a good QB at Va Tech. Heupel has made him into a superstar...
But I'm confident Jim Chaney would have made him very good as well.
Who really knows what could have been.

What I do know NOW is that this is Heupels program and we are getting good real fast...
Pruitt was a corch plain and simple. You’re underselling the best coach we’ve had in 20 years for Mr. McDonald’s bags
 
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I’ve said it before but if Heupel had that 2016 team they are in the playoff at a minimum. Likely would’ve beaten A&M and maybe Bama. But definitely wouldn’t have lost to South Carolina or Vandy.
A Heupel-coached 2016 team likely has only 1 regular season loss (Alabama) and potentially another loss to them in the SECCG. If Tennessee did not win the SEC, there would have been an incredibly fierce debate about whether Ohio St, Penn St, or Tennessee should be the 4 seed. The debate that year between Ohio St/Penn St was already really heated...can you imagine if an 11-2 Tennessee team was there as well, whose only losses were to the #1 team in the country? Wow.

There has never been a 2-loss team selected, but those 2 losses, if they occurred, would be as impressive as they come. Especially if they were close games. But there would have been a strong "...but Tennessee already had their chance twice and couldn't do it" argument against including us.
 
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A Heupel-coached 2016 team likely has only 1 regular season loss (Alabama) and potentially another loss to them in the SECCG. If Tennessee did not win the SEC, there would have been an incredibly fierce debate about whether Ohio St, Penn St, or Tennessee should be the 4 seed. The debate that year between Ohio St/Penn St was already really heated...can you imagine if an 11-2 Tennessee team was there as well, whose only losses were to the #1 team in the country? Wow.

It would’ve been interesting for sure. And then the next year Dobbs and Alvin leave and Butch gets exposed for what he is. Coulda woulda shoulda. That’s why these coaching hires cannot be botched. It all started with Kiffin leaving.
 
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