Take the Vols -7 early before it goes up

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#26
vol_freak said:
Aren't the two the same? The way I see it, you are paying the juice because it's being taken out of your winnings.
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I can see what you are saying, but think of it this way. If you bet 110 on one side, and I bet 110 on the other and you win. You win my 100 dollars, but the house takes my other 10. You still get your initial 110 back, you aren't really missing out on winnings because 100 in the maximum you can win in that scenario
 
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emainvol said:
I can see what you are saying, but think of it this way. If you bet 110 on one side, and I bet 110 on the other and you win. You win my 100 dollars, but the house takes my other 10. You still get your initial 110 back, you aren't really missing out on winnings because 100 in the maximum you can win in that scenario
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I think I see, you bet $110 to win $100 or lose $110?

I suppose that is the same as betting $100 to win $100 or lose $110. The difference from what I'm used to seems to only be in initial bet amount.
 
#28
#28
Yeah just checked on Oddmaker you bet 100 pays you 90.91 back. Yeah betting with house bookie you pay 10 percent juice internet stuff a little different. Love the teaser and huge parlays.
 
#30
#30
Just a question, why does the home team automatically get 7 points towards to them?
I don't know anything about betting, but at times interested.
 
#31
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RipVol said:
Just a question, why does the home team automatically get 7 points towards to them?
I don't know anything about betting, but at times interested.
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I believe it's 3 pts.....and because statistically, teams win more when they are at home?
 
#32
#32
vol_freak said:
I think I see, you bet $110 to win $100 or lose $110?

I suppose that is the same as betting $100 to win $100 or lose $110. The difference from what I'm used to seems to only be in initial bet amount.
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That's right. So if you are online or in Vegas, you bet $110 and if you win, you get $210 back (your bet plus the $100). They take the juice up front because I really doubt they are going to be able to find you to pay the 10% if you lose....!

As for the lines not moving -- My "bet" is it just means not much money is in play yet. You can say lots of Cali money is being thrown around, but that would have kept the line low to begin with. As UCLA players fell more money would go towards UT and the line would go up. I just think not much money has gone into the pool yet. The line will move this week unless no one is betting on the game. It's all about just winning the juice for the books.
 
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#35
mason3132 said:
I use oddmakers and sportbook.com

Just place my first 2 bets of the year
4 team parlay
TN-7
Clemson-5
Louisville -3 half
USC -19
for 100 pays 1100 if all win

Also a 2 bills on us -7
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I'm not sure on the Clemson, playing Bama
 
#37
#37
Sportsbook good site i really like Clemson in this game and this yr i know they lose to teams they shouldnt but man there loaded. The one two punch of Davis and Spiller is unreal
 
#39
#39
yeah i guess you could say that. Actually 3 of last 4 yrs i have come out on top. Keep spreadsheets on all bets to see how bad it was. Saying i have finished positive 3 out of 4 yrs is one thing overall for last 4 yrs though im down 236 dollars. I want get into total numbers but lets just say 2006 was a VERY VERY bad year for me.
 
#40
#40
mason3132 said:
Sportsbook good site i really like Clemson in this game and this yr i know they lose to teams they shouldnt but man there loaded. The one two punch of Davis and Spiller is unreal
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you would have thought....
then bama shuts 'em down
 
#41
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VolByBirth said:
As for the lines not moving -- My "bet" is it just means not much money is in play yet. You can say lots of Cali money is being thrown around, but that would have kept the line low to begin with. As UCLA players fell more money would go towards UT and the line would go up. I just think not much money has gone into the pool yet. The line will move this week unless no one is betting on the game. It's all about just winning the juice for the books.
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There have been over 30,000 bets taken in sports books(offshore) for this game. Of those 30,000 bets 24% of them have been placed on UCLA.

Many contra players would argue that the "smart" money is 1. being put on UCLA and is keeping the line stagnant or 2. The smart money hasn't been placed yet.
 
#42
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VoltrappedinNC said:
There have been over 30,000 bets taken in sports books(offshore) for this game. Of those 30,000 bets 24% of them have been placed on UCLA.

Many contra players would argue that the "smart" money is 1. being put on UCLA and is keeping the line stagnant or 2. The smart money hasn't been placed yet.
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What does this mean? Smart money = BIG money?

Meaning even though it's only 24% of the bets, the amount have been larger keeping the line even?
 
#43
#43
volley said:
What does this mean? Smart money = BIG money?
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Smart, professional, Wise guy. Sometimes there are people who have information that is key to the game.

volley said:
Meaning even though it's only 24% of the bets, the amount have been larger keeping the line even?
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Betting lines move for many reasons; injury updates, weather, etc., but “betting line movement” that goes against the “betting percentages” is an excellent indicator of Smart or Wiseguy Money.

For example, 77% of the public is betting on TENN -7, but the line moves to TENN -6. This line movement would indicate a "smart money" move on UCLA.

Think about it this way. All those fancy buildings in Vegas. Those weren't built on 77% on the public winning there bets. Vegas was built on 77% of the public losing.

Here is where I got that info, its really good info.
Public Betting Trends - theFBZ.com
 
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VoltrappedinNC said:
Smart, professional, Wise guy. Sometimes there are people who have information that is key to the game.



Betting lines move for many reasons; injury updates, weather, etc., but “betting line movement” that goes against the “betting percentages” is an excellent indicator of Smart or Wiseguy Money.

For example, 77% of the public is betting on TENN -7, but the line moves to TENN -6. This line movement would indicate a "smart money" move on UCLA.

Think about it this way. All those fancy buildings in Vegas. Those weren't built on 77% on the public winning there bets. Vegas was built on 77% of the public losing.

Here is where I got that info, its really good info.
Public Betting Trends - theFBZ.com
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Very interesting. Although, in the amount of time it took me to create an account and get my deposit/bonus straightened out, the line there moved from UT -7 to -7.5. Tell your wise guy friends to get back on it! :)

I'm new to sports betting, but it seems to me the difference between 7 and 7.5 is HUGE. Are my instincts correct here? Would you guys still take UT @ -7.5?
 
#45
#45
7 is one of the "key" numbers in football. You will see that line moving back and forth between 7-7.5 all day, but do not be suprised to see it dropping down to 6.5 before kickoff tomorrow night.

I really believe Tenn will win this game(gosh I pray they do), I just don't see them covering the 7 tomorrow night.
 
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volley said:
I'm new to sports betting, but it seems to me the difference between 7 and 7.5 is HUGE. Are my instincts correct here? Would you guys still take UT @ -7.5?
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Yes, your instincts are very accurate.

Other numbers that are important are 3, 7 and 10

numbers like 4 and 5 are pretty much dead. Same argument can be made for 5 and 6, but 6 isnt as dead.
 
#49
#49
I think its moving back and forth because the books know that 7 is a key number and they are trying to entice more wagers on tenn.

If you look at the juice on the -7.5 your probably seeing -105 through -110.

Actually I just took a random scan of sports books and I only see one book sitting at 7.5 and the vig(juice) is at -105. Most of the offshore books are sitting at -7 right now with vigs of -109 and -110.


Remember, I am not advocating or defending any of this I am just stating what I am seeing and what I have used for over 4 years of betting on college football.

What I see happening is that the books want more bets on Tenn.
 
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