Tackling Issues

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Tackling was a huge issue today. Are coaches not teaching proper form tackling these days? What ever happened to "hit, wrap-up. & drive through the ball carrier"? I love seeing big hits, but if the ball carrier bounces right off of you & keeps going, what good is the hit?
 
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have to get to the right place to make form tackles. We were always having to reach.
 
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Are you old enough to remember when Herschel Walker ran through Bill Bates? Awesome run. Bill Bates played in the NFL for a million years. He was an excellent baller. Sometimes an exceptionally good ball carrier can make even awesome tacklers look incompetent. It happens.

That being said, I hope we are more effective in our tackling in the future. Not all of it can be blamed on Rainey's talent. But a pretty good bit of it can.
 
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Weiss still crafted a gameplan designed to get the ball to Rainey and Demps in space. When they went under center, we seemed to play it pretty well.
Speed makes you look bad, and forces the facemasking penalties we got today. We definitely blew some assignments, and didn't wrap up, but I'm going to give their guys some credit.
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RespectTradition said:
Are you old enough to remember when Herschel Walker ran through Bill Bates? Awesome run. Bill Bates played in the NFL for a million years. He was an excellent baller. Sometimes an exceptionally good ball carrier can make even awesome tacklers look incompetent. It happens.

That being said, I hope we are more effective in our tackling in the future. Not all of it can be blamed on Rainey's talent. But a pretty good bit of it can.
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gates was on his heels when walker hit him, he wasn't set at all. it wasn't all herschel's power running.

we did miss way to many tackles, especially in the back field.
 
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crolader said:
Tackling was a huge issue today. Are coaches not teaching proper form tackling these days? What ever happened to "hit, wrap-up. & drive through the ball carrier"? I love seeing big hits, but if the ball carrier bounces right off of you & keeps going, what good is the hit?
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College coaches generally spend most practice time implementing schemes, adjustments, and packages. Tackling, regrettably, is something that normally is drilled during the preseason and not again.

Ultimately, I lay a lot of blame at the hands of high school coaches who want to do the same thing instead of teaching fundamentals.
 
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WallyBalls said:
BING-Frickin'-O.


Welcome to college football in the 2010s.
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To really determine when it began, simply use the formula (current year - my high school graduation year - 1). So if you graduated in 1975, it's been a precipitous decline since 1976.

In reality, it's been the last 20 years especially that have been bad. I think it's an offshoot of guys who started using the helmet as a weapon, which caused tackling to morph into glorified ramming or butting. If you watch a video of a buffalo trying to challenge another buffalo for control of the herd, it's indistinguishable from a defensive back trying to "tackle" over the middle.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
To really determine when it began, simply use the formula (current year - my high school graduation year - 1). So if you graduated in 1975, it's been a precipitous decline since 1976.

In reality, it's been the last 20 years especially that have been bad. I think it's an offshoot of guys who started using the helmet as a weapon, which caused tackling to morph into glorified ramming or butting. If you watch a video of a buffalo trying to challenge another buffalo for control of the herd, it's indistinguishable from a defensive back trying to "tackle" over the middle.
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Well played.
 
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Dooley wanted big LB's. Well, he got 'em. Unfortunately they are slow as molasses. He should have played more Darryl Vereen, IMO. Losing Janzen Jackson was also a huge blow. Aside from Bray, we have now lost the 2 men most important to our success as a team this year.
 
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Also, I think people really stopped knowing how to tackle along about 2001. That was when the video game generation really came of age. :p
 
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Ohio Vol said:
To really determine when it began, simply use the formula (current year - my high school graduation year - 1). So if you graduated in 1975, it's been a precipitous decline since 1976.

In reality, it's been the last 20 years especially that have been bad. I think it's an offshoot of guys who started using the helmet as a weapon, which caused tackling to morph into glorified ramming or butting. If you watch a video of a buffalo trying to challenge another buffalo for control of the herd, it's indistinguishable from a defensive back trying to "tackle" over the middle.
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Class of 90?
 
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We should have ran nickel most of the game & rushed/blitzed off the edges. All they ran was sweeps unless #8 was in the game. Their passing game was pretty weak.
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pl3 said:
4.3 guys don't get form tackled very often. Rainey is an AA.
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He's a completely different player. I mean, I was like "Are we sure that #1 kid is Rainey"? type of change. He even ran well between the tackles.
 
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zjcvols said:
He's a completely different player. I mean, I was like "Are we sure that #1 kid is Rainey"? type of change. He even ran well between the tackles.
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We have been waiting for this for 5 years. The kid finally grew up and got his head somewhat on straight.
 
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WesternKyVol said:
Class of 90?
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Nicely played.:good!:

It would explain my flecks of gray hair...

But no, ever since people in power got the idea that the best coaches are those who know the most, there's been a seismic shift in football at all levels. It's really about the time that the Run n' Shoot (which was actually a high school offense right here in good ol' Ohio) came to fruition in the NFL and put the Houston Oilers and Buffalo Bills into the playoffs...everything in football trickles down quickly, but oozes uphill very slowly. The added variable with Buffalo was that they went with no huddle, which I'll touch on in a minute.

When teams that opened the field and ran four-receiver sets on a regular basis started to have success despite the fact that everyone knew it was supposed to be impossible (Buddy Ryan, that means you), people sat up and took notice. Suddenly colleges wanted to install the latest gadget, which flowed down to the high schools. In 1990, nearly every team in the country ran a myriad of two-back looks with a tight end; by 1994, the only team having success with that was Nebraska. Everyone else was opening the field up and passing the ball.

For those who have never broken down film to devise a game plan, there is a huge amount of time devoted to formation recognition; defense is rarely as simple as breaking the huddle and lining up. There are a ton of adjustments and a lot of communication. A team that runs a bunch of plays from a small number of formations is generally easier to prepare for than one that runs a small number of plays from a bunch of formations. It's irritating as hell to deal with because it wastes practice time to have to show and plan for a couple dozen formations (or more), and that cuts into other time.

What you notice is that the tackling of defensive linemen, as a whole, has not declined in the last 20 years. This is because the defensive line is generally excluded from formation recognition time, so they're able to continuously work on the basics of D-line play. The linebackers and defensive backs, who don't have that luxury, generally use extremely poor technique in all aspects of tackling.

I'll add in a funny story. In my first year of coaching (at my alma mater), we were preparing for a game in week two against a team that we all hated...their head coach was actually a former assistant at our school. The guy fancies himself as some type of high school Spurrier, so he was always doing ridiculous things with formations and trick plays. It was annoying as hell, mostly because it eats up valuable practice time. It was still week one, and we figured to have a tough game that we'd win, so the following plan was devised: get a lead, then start doing bizarre crap in short yardage situations. We'd give our second opponent a taste of their own medicine.

So we won the first game, and did all sorts of weird crap in the process, knowing that their advance scout would have an infarction trying to track it all. When week two rolled around, we went nice and basic...then started showing these bizarre formations that we weren't ever going to run a play out of. They had burned all three timeouts halfway through the first quarter...then we'd start in one goofy formation and quickly shift to something basic, and sting them with the option. We beat the living hell out of them and had a blast doing it.

They dropped us from the schedule the next year.
 
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crolader said:
Tackling was a huge issue today. Are coaches not teaching proper form tackling these days? What ever happened to "hit, wrap-up. & drive through the ball carrier"? I love seeing big hits, but if the ball carrier bounces right off of you & keeps going, what good is the hit?
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It's mostly the blocking, tackling, and kicking game that is failing most often. I'm beginning to think Chaney and Wilcox are out of their league in the sec. Both sides of the ball, the lack of team speed and reaction time was evident. And I don't think Fla is really that awesome. It's going to be tougher against Alabama and LSU.
 
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