T. Willingham Fired

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T. Willingham was fired from Notre Dame Today after 3 years.

Do you feel 3 years is enough time for a coach to turn a school around?
 
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if you listen to some vols fans an 80% winning record in the SEC isn't enough....besides breaking in a new coach every 3 yrs keeps ND right where they belong....subpar.....yeah I know they beat us but they are not playing for a conference champ or have a shot at a decent bowl game....ahhh the poor wee little people
 
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Originally posted by volmanjr@Nov 30, 2004 2:43 PM
if you listen to some vols fans an 80% winning record in the SEC isn't enough....besides breaking in a new coach every 3 yrs keeps ND right where they belong....subpar.....yeah I know they beat us but they are not playing for a conference champ or have a shot at a decent bowl game....ahhh the poor wee little people
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Huh? Oh, right, they're too wussy to join a conference :D
 
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50% of the Florida fans thought they had a lock on getting Urban Meyer. Then ND fired Willingham. I think the only reason they fired him is because they must have had a pretty good idea that Urban will take the job. It's rumored they've already offered it to him.

The other 50% are under some delusion that Bob Stoops will leave OU to coach Florida.

First the cold shoulder from Steve-O, now this. I think there's gonna be a lot of Prozac prescriptions written in Gainesville this off season.
 
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Me being catholic I have a soft spot for ND! When I heard about this I was a little upset but what I think hurt Tyrone was going 10-3 in his first year. Also I think ND needs to wake up it is super hard to find the athletes that qualify to get into ND then if they qualify do they want to play for ND....This is not the past not everyone wants to play in South Bend anymore.
 
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Man, ND athletic department is retarded. Ty wasn't the problem, its their entrance standards.

I don't think they'll get much more competitive until they lower their standards. I actually admire them somewhat for having those standards, but they're never going to be a top 10 program again until they do.
 
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He was hired for one reason, to make ND look good after the o'leary debacle. He was never a popular choice with the alumni, fans and catholics. They have always "claimed" higher ground than the rest of the world. That day is now over. There will be lots said about this topic in our "politically correct society." Who cares, he didn't cut it, pack it up and move on.And, Holtz was there two years before he won the ring.
 
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I'm afraid you are right Don. No matter how good a coach Willingham is . . . he was at least the second choice and was a nice quick fix after the embarassment over O'Leary's resume. He falls into the same category as Jim Donnan and Ron Zook - second and third choice coaches who everybody knew would get a quick hook at the first sign of trouble.
 
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We agree? I cannot believe it. Seriously, like Zookie, Ty had no chance. He is a good man who ran a clean program with noticeable discipline. He will do well elsewhere. :good:
 
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BD,

Sounds like the Bama faithful are being a bit more reasonable with Shula. Different situation to be sure.

Do you think they will be as forgiving at the end of his 3rd year if Bama finishes 7-4 or lower? In otherwords, how long will the effects of probation be acceptable as a reason for not hitting Bama standards? I'd say he needs at least 4 years before you can really evaluate if he's taking the program in the right direction.

Further, will ND pulling the trigger loosen up the trigger finger of other administrations?
 
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Wow Coach willingham had a pool of only 33% to choose from out of 100 while a lot of the other schools had 90% to choose from!!! Not to mention ND does not allow junior college transfers! And ND expects to win and compete with other schools :dunno: :dunno:
 
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Tyrone was not fired because of his record

He was fired because ND openly caught him lobbying for the Washington job where he wants to return to the West Coast.

So, they just canned him
 
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to answer the original question.... 3yrs is not enough 5 minimum IMO.
 
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Stoops screwed it up for all coaches when he went to Oklahoma and won the NC in his second year. Willingham's biggest mistake was getting lucky and winning 10 games in year 1. There was no way he was going to keep that pace up.
 
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For a coaches' first year... they should go in and try and botch their first year to set low expectations. Maybe like a 4-7 or 5-6 type season. That's pretty much the only way they'll keep their jobs anymore after the Stoops era at Oklahoma.
 
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Originally posted by milohimself@Dec 1, 2004 4:41 PM
For a coaches' first year... they should go in and try and botch their first year to set low expectations. Maybe like a 4-7 or 5-6 type season. That's pretty much the only way they'll keep their jobs anymore after the Stoops era at Oklahoma.
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Are you really Callahan?
 
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:eek:lol:

Milo is right. It's the Homer Simpson theory of coaching . . . You spend the first season overhauling the program and go 5-6. Then you spend the second season finishing the implementation of your "System" and go 7-4. Then you spend year 3 getting the first wave of your recruits on the field and go 7-4 or 8-3. Hopefully by years 4 and 5 you are having 8+ win seasons at which point you look for a job in the NFL and get the hell out of town before the alumni places expectations on you. :blink:
 
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